kelly the obama poster child

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[mikeofcontex]

It's a shame that an astronaut, a specialist in his own field, will attempt to speak about weaponry of which he knows little. Even a fool seems wise when he is silent.

 

[pvtsnowball82]

kelly the obuma poster child

It's a scientific fact that if 33-round mags didn't exist we would all live in peace and harmony and no one would suffer from mental illness.

 

[Mustang Mike]

It amazes me still how the Media says that the Gunman was using a quote "assault" weapon, when in fact there was 4 hand guns found at the
crime scene! Everything is better on TV with a Lie! Slick Willy redefined Sex , oral sex ain't sex if your the President,and the Media says Nothing?

 

[pvtsnowball82]

Well, when the term "assault weapon" is arbitrarily defined by people who know nothing about weapons, pretty much everything is an "assault weapon."

 

[oldguy]

Capt. Kelly IMO is an opportunist who will in time run for office,the media and people like Kelly speak only of guns however the true cause of mass killings I believe is with drugs pushed on young boys used so many years they are addicted and changed forever,we have a second issue with hundreds of military suicides which is again possibly due to drugs for anxiety treatment, but we continue to ignore these things and instead focus on guns as being the cause.

 

[Shorts]

It amazes me still how the Media says that the Gunman was using a quote "assault" weapon, when in fact there was 4 hand guns found at the
crime scene! Everything is better on TV with a Lie! Slick Willy redefined Sex , oral sex ain't sex if your the President,and the Media says Nothing?

despp: ** UPDATE ** State Police Identify Weapons in Sandy Hook Investigation

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** UPDATE **
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STATE POLICE IDENTIFY WEAPONS USED IN SANDY HOOK INVESTIGATION; ​

INVESTIGATION CONTINUES​

In previous press conferences, the Connecticut State Police clearly identified all of the weapons seized from the crime scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
To eliminate any confusion or misinformation, we will again describe and identify the weapons seized at the school crime scene.

Seized inside the school:
#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine

#2. Glock 10 mm handgun

#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun

Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:

#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)

This case remains under investigation.
Lt. J. Paul Vance
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Capt. Kelly IMO is an opportunist who will in time run for office,the media and people like Kelly speak only of guns however the true cause of mass killings I believe is with drugs pushed on young boys used so many years they are addicted and changed forever,we have a second issue with hundreds of military suicides which is again possibly due to drugs for anxiety treatment, but we continue to ignore these things and instead focus on guns as being the cause.

I think Mark Kelly is an accomplished man in his own right and he deserves the accolades he has earned. I think he is a man that loves his wife. I think he is using his voice to say what his wife cannot express. I do not begrudge this man for doing what he is doing. I believe he is doing it out of love; he loves his wife more than anything and he is supporting her in every way possible. If she wants to be on that side of the gun argument, he will be her voice. Despite me disagreeing with what he says about the topic, I can't help but respect the man 100% for standing beside his wife. I hope every man would do the same for his.

 

[ROGER4314]

I can't help but respect the man 100% for standing beside his wife. I hope every man would do the same for his.

I disagree and see his moves as a shameless attack on our rights. If Kelly would address the incident where his wife was shot and contain his comments to include that incident, I could agree. Instead, Kelly inserts his opinion into something that he knows very little about and uses their personal tragedy to influence public policy and attacks on the US Constitution. Kelly is being used willingly or unknowingly as a pawn in Obama's strategy. That's just wrong!

Our Libtard friends do not have the law on their side so they get louder and play the sympathy card to gain support for their very weak position. What it boils down to is that they will change the 2ND Amendment simply because they don't agree with it. Almost all of Feinstein's provisions were Federal law for 10 years until they were allowed to sunset because they did NOTHING to make our citizens safer. So we have Kelly at the head of the train to make changes that already failed our nation once.

There are procedures in place to CHANGE the Second Amendment if these Libtards so choose. Instead of doing things legally and correctly, they subvert and demean the Constitution and grab power using Kelly and friends as pawns.

Hitler used the burning of the Reichstag as an excuse to restrict citizen rights (including guns) and seized total power for himself. In this case, Obama used Sandy Hook to do the same thing!

The blood of a million Patriots protected our flag and Constitution from all threats foreign and domestic. How do the unfortunate deaths of 20 kids and the wounding of a Senator trump that?

Here's the Kelly score from my chair:
For standing by his wife........+10
For using his position as "Poster Child" for Obama's attack on the Bill of Rights.........-500
Net score....................-490

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[oldguy]

quote(I think Mark Kelly is an accomplished man in his own right and he deserves the accolades he has earned. I think he is a man that loves his wife. I think he is using his voice to say what his wife cannot express. I do not begrudge this man for doing what he is doing. I believe he is doing it out of love; he loves his wife more than anything and he is supporting her in every way possible. If she wants to be on that side of the gun argument, he will be her voice. Despite me disagreeing with what he says about the topic, I can't help but respect the man 100% for standing beside his wife. I hope every man would do the same for his.)quote


Perhaps your correct and I respect as a vet myself anyone who has served, but it's a bit naive to assume he is doing this out of love,I never respect an opportunist who will use any event to gain 10 minutes of fame. Certainly I do not know for certain however after nearly 55 years of working with men in all situations I tend to have a good reality idea of what people will do. If he does not run for office in 4 years or less I will consider myself wrong.

 

[Shorts]

Perhaps your correct and I respect as a vet myself anyone who has served, but it's a bit naive to assume he is doing this out of love,I never respect an opportunist who will use any event to gain 10 minutes of fame. Certainly I do not know for certain however after nearly 55 years of working with men in all situations I tend to have a good reality idea of what people will do. If he does not run for office in 4 years or less I will consider myself wrong.

Naive? No. I don't think it is his only motivation. I think it is a very large part of his motivation. Afterall he did marry a woman who served for Democratic party. Obviously he was in some harmony with the party ideaology before she was a victim. Google them. Do you think he'd be giving testimony if his wife wasn't involved?

It's not unheard of for a military member to lean left. It is quite common. We are Navy. In each of our previous stations we've had quiet a few friends with opinions exactly as Mark Kelly's. We had some pretty heated exchanges at get togethers. We don't agree with them, they don't agree with us, but we are still friends.

So what's the problem? The fact that I have some compassion for his position or the fact that I didn't 100% fall in line with the OPs assessment? Pull your heads out of your butts. I'm pro 2A despite not holding your same opinions on the man.

oldguy,thanks for your service hah, sorry, "oldguy"

 

[Vaquero]

I know where I stand right now on gun control legislation. IF my wife gets shot and suffers the same fate as Gabby, I have no doubt of my devotion to her. My stance on legislation could be changed though. I pray i never find out. We have only her public statements to consider. Mark has the time and commitment to hear her private thoughts , no matter how long it takes her to express them. I refuse to judge Mark Kelly for his position.

 

[steve-o]

In this interview(2:50), Kelly says "From my experience in the Military, I spent 25 years in the Navy. Assault weapons are very good at killing a lot of people all at once. And that's something that should be, and is designed for the Military." So he's claiming that he's a weapons expert?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kelly

Did he ever serve in combat using these "assault weapons"? No he didn't. If he was on tv talking about war planes or space travel, I would trust his expertise, but not on the purpose of a semi-automatic rifle. Therefore I think he is making a biased politically driven statement. Does his Military experience, and his wife being shot, make his words more valuable? I don't think so, I think it means he's being deceitful about his knowledge of guns, and playing off of the emotion of his personal tragedy. Plus his wife was shot with a Glock, why isn't he talking about limiting semi-automatic handguns?

Other people (Suzanna Hupp, comes to mind) who have been, or have close relatives that are victims of gun crime, have different reactions. Specifically wanting to lift restrictions that prevent people from defending themselves. Which in the State of Texas has been proven to prevent crimes.

 

[Shorts]

In this interview(2:50), Kelly says "From my experience in the Military, I spent 25 years in the Navy. Assault weapons are very good at killing a lot of people all at once. And that's something that should be, and is designed for the Military." So he's claiming that he's a weapons expert?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kelly

Excellent point. He was an A6 pilot, subsequent FA18. The only personal arms he carried was the M9. My husband was a Navy pilot and that's all he got to carry. Not until he was boots on the ground did they give him an M4 to go with his M9. The A6/FA18 are land stationed/carrier deployed. Short and sweet - as a pilot, he had no use for the M4 and likely never fired one in war.

Did he ever serve in combat using these "assault weapons"? No he didn't. If he was on tv talking about war planes or space travel, I would trust his expertise, but not on the purpose of a semi-automatic rifle. Therefore I think he is making a biased politically driven statement. Does his Military experience, and his wife being shot, make his words more valuable? I don't think so, I think it means he's being deceitful about his knowledge of guns, and playing off of the emotion of his personal tragedy. Plus his wife was shot with a Glock, why isn't he talking about limiting semi-automatic handguns?

This one is hard to decipher. He can't stop being Mark Kelly, yet he is her husband.

I ran across this a few minutes ago. I thought, "yup": Gabby and Mark: The new 'Bradys' of gun control - CNN.com

Other people (Suzanna Hupp, comes to mind) who have been, or have close relatives that are victims of gun crime, have different reactions. Specifically wanting to lift restrictions that prevent people from defending themselves. Which in the State of Texas has been proven to prevent crimes.

I think you made an excellent point here. Many folks that have been put in life or death positions do know first hand how vulnerable they were and how they really needed or could have used a firearm when they most needed it.

Look at Gifford's voting record on guns: Gabrielle Giffords - Gun Issues Voting Records - Project Vote Smart

Nov. 16, 2011	HR 822	Requiring State Reciprocity for Carrying Concealed Firearms	Bill Passed - House (272 - 154)	Did Not Vote
July 28, 2010	HR 5827	Exempting Guns from an Estate for Bankruptcy Purposes	Bill Passed - House (307 - 113)	Yea
May 20, 2009	HR 627	Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks	Concurrence Vote Passed - House (279 - 147)	Yea
Sept. 17, 2008	HR 6842	Repealing Portions of the D.C. Firearm Ban	Bill Passed - House (266 - 152)	Yea

Her DNV was due to her being injured (Jan 8, 2011 was when that happened)

But if you look at that link I posted above, looks like the shooting influenced where they stood to some degree. I do think they genuinely want to prevent these kinds of crimes, but who doesn't? I don't think their ideas would do it, however. (ex. 100% 4473s)

 

[steve-o]

But if you look at that link I posted above, looks like the shooting influenced where they stood to some degree. I do think they genuinely want to prevent these kinds of crimes, but who doesn't? I don't think their ideas would do it, however. (ex. 100% 4473s)

I can only imagine what they have been through with the shooting, I don't begrudge them that. I agree with your above statement that through their tragedy they want to help others, I don't think they have evil intent like others that grandstand for gun control. But unfortunately they are singing the same song as the other gun grabbers, that don't base their wanted change in facts or proven methods. Kelly is a smart man, no doubt about it, so why doesn't he present facts and reasons for his stance? In the interview, his argument was weak and unfounded, more of the same blah blah blah we hear from the gun control crowd. So with the article about them being the new Brady's make sense, maybe his voice isn't his own, or he's being held to a strict agenda, I don't know, just speculation.

I guess what bugged me the most was his implication of his military experience being the end all of gun knowledge, as if that discredits an opposing stance. People who don't know better see someone of his accomplishment, and believe statements like that. Why not he's an astronaut, and a fighter pilot, a hero, you should be able to trust what he says.

Sorry for the rant

 

[ROGER4314]

Long ago, the measure of a man came from how he handled adversity. Did he break or did he suck it up and keep on keeping on? Kelly immediately came out as Obama's butt sniffing lap dog. The SOB is going to run for political office and is using this stand on gun control as a springboard. Hide and watch.

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[Shorts]

Hey steve-o no worries on the rant. I get what you're saying about using Kelly as a showpiece because of his credentials.

But unfortunately they are singing the same song as the other gun grabbers, that don't base their wanted change in facts or proven methods. Kelly is a smart man, no doubt about it, so why doesn't he present facts and reasons for his stance?

Really good question for all of them. Off the top of my head, instead of trying to "get guns of the streets", why don't we get the criminals off the streets? That's a thinker.

 

[ROGER4314]

why don't we get the criminals off the streets? That's a thinker.

+50

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