Libertarian or what ?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by sjones, Sep 3, 2009.

  1. sjones

    sjones Active Member

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    How many here are libertarians ? I am a conservative,have been voting republican for years now,but neither party has shown me much lately.Personaly I think both of them should all be voted out and start fresh with new ones.I've been looking into thr libertarian party.I'm just not sure if they can win an election.I don't want to waste my vote but we have to do something before our country is bankrupt and ruined.One thing I'm not and will never be is a socialist or communist.So what do you all think? sj
     


  2. SIG_Fiend

    SIG_Fiend Administrator TGT Supporter Admin

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    I'm pretty much a libertarian, although I try not associate myself from any one party as I don't like to get into the partisan mentality. As far as I'm concerned, the whole debate between democrat vs. republican, modern liberal vs. neo conservatism, etc is nothing more than a divide and conquer game meant to keep people choosing two sides of the same evil. We've seen plenty of messed up stuff come from both parties. If anything is an indicator that the game is fixed, it's Obama. Just look at all he's done completely to the contrary of his party's supposed beliefs in the short period he's been in office. I honestly think the only thing that is going to fix this country is for us to vote more and more third party/independent candidates (good ones worthy of the positions of course) into office to break up the stalemate between dem vs. rep.
     
  3. M. Sage

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    Pretty much what he said. Libertarianism is definitely a pro-capitalist philosophy... and a pro-socialist one, too, though they'd keep the government out of it (want to go set up a commune? Have fun, knock your hippie self out), which basically is capitalist by default - the vast majority of people revert to capitalism whenever they get a chance, no matter what the economic system in their place and time.
     
  4. SiscoKid

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    I like Libertarian ideas like pro-gun and less government. But I can't go for their legalization of pot and stay out of all wars.

    It just won't happen, a third party, anytime soon.

    We currently have (or had) two great Senators in Texas. They are not the problem in the Senate. It's the freaks who keep voting in Finestein, Boxer, Schumer, Reid, etc... But they come from liberal bastions so they will continue to be voted in year after year. Nothing WE can do about it.

    My Congressman is Ted Poe, he is SUPER. So not much for me to do there.

    Next question.
     
  5. sjones

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    the way the country is going

    I'm really getting worried about the course this country is taking.I can understand why all the blacks voted for him but on the night of the election.I saw thousands of cheering white yuppies cheering for him.Don't get me wrong,I'm not a racist.I just don't like his politics,and all his cronies are self avowed communists.I'm afraid for the future of this great country.I wonder how long or what it will take before another civil war starts.sj
     
  6. Texas42

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    I wouldn't call myself a libertarian, but I am right of most of the Republican party. I believe in a lack of government interference, in most things.

    That being said, I don't believe in an anything goes society.
     
  7. Libertarian_Longhorn

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    Prosocialist, but keep the government out of it...oxymoron? I think you may me misinformed, but most people are misinformed when it comes to third party politics. This is in NO way an attack on you M.Sage, just trying to set some facts straight. Socialist?! At the core, extremely limited government, pro-second amendment, anti-taxes....it's the opposite end of socialism. As for SOCIAL issues, libertarians are, again, anti-goverment. although I don't do/smoke/inject/snort/inhale pot, but why should it be illegalized? It has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car has, and certainly less people than alcohol. The drug crimes and violence associated with the drug? Look no further than the alcohol prohibition of the early 1900's, that really curbed the gang related violence.

    I DO NOT believe in abortion. No way no how. Being libertarian doesn't mean you have to agree with everything, just as being catholic doesn't mean you think it's ok to f*ck little boys. If I hurt your feelings anybody please suck it up. I'm still the guy that'll give you the shirt off my back, just passionate.

    You want to preserve your second amendment rights as much as I do, but as soon as you start to let BIG government creep in, everything else starts to crumble. Give a little, they gain ALOT.

    As for foreign wars. I'm for securing this great Nation's liberty, but I prefer we pick our battles wisely. As for Afghan, we need to stay there until every piece of taliban waste is annhilated. Iraq....I'm not so sure. I think we shouldn't have gone, it's not our job to police the world. If it was our job, we'd be in shit up to our knees in sudan etc. I support our troops 100% and always will.

    For the record, I voted both Republican and Libertarian in the last election, and McCain was my presidential vote. You may see it as a waste of a vote to swing libertarian, but it's a small way to start by influencing local politics.

    Just my :2cents:
     
  8. phatcyclist

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    I'd consider myself a Libertarian. I'm for limited Government intervention in daily life. I believe strongly on the idea that until something infringes on someone else, it should be allowed.
     
  9. res1b3uq

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    I looked at the libertarian party in the last election, because I did not, and don't now like McCain. At that time , there was too much infighting for them to ever make a difference. I doubt that 75% of the libertarians voted for their own candidate.
     
  10. M. Sage

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    It's only stay out of wars of aggression. Libertarians are not pacifists (far from it), but aren't big fans of aggression. Fighting should be reserved for defending something or somebody, not for simply pushing your will upon somebody else.

    What I was trying to say is that libertarians would be fine with people wanting to be socialists, so long as they didn't force anybody else to be. If someone wants to set up an organization where folks can voluntarily tithe part of their wages for wealth redistribution and they can voluntarily do all the other socialist BS.... Hey, go for it. I don't care if someone is a socialist, till they try forcing me (or anybody else) to live by that idiotic philosophy, too.

    This is very true!

    I agree with this as well, however... once engaged in a fight, I can't stomach leaving until it's won, no matter what. Americans have died for that fight in Iraq, right or wrong. So have Iraqis. It would be morally bankrupt of us to toss that ultimate sacrifice into the trash by just packing up and leaving without accomplishing the mission they died for. I'd say that we should avoid more Iraqs, since it wasn't really our mess to go cleaning up... though there were times we should have kept our noses out of their business before that, when we wound up strengthening Saddam. But now that we're there, we're kind of stuck following through.

    I did not vote Republican, and I definitely didn't vote for McCain... I couldn't stomach the guy, he's way too far "left" for my taste.
     

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