Libertarian?!

[Antonio]

Based on my own sets of principles, I don't want to vote for either Democratic nominee or Republican incumbent. I don't agree with the stance on issues from the former and behavior of the latter.

The current system is designed such, that there can be only 2 viable parties. In spite of that, I'm looking for other options.

Well, here we go again. A Libertarian party nominee. In 2020 it is Jo Jorgensen. No exorbital campaign money, probably no electors either... In the current system it is doomed to fail. In spite that, I agree with the most of her opinions on the issues. Too bad it is not highlighted in the mainstream at all.

What do you think about the issues?
https://joj2020.com/issues-jo-jorgensen/

What's your take on the Q&A?
https://joj2020.com/qa/

I'm a gun owner, but I'm not an "one issue voter". It sucks to be forced to choose between 2 evils...

 

[Axxe55]

Antonio, welcome to TGT from here in East Texas.

I AM a one issue voter. 2nd Amendment. Why? Simple. Most candidates who are Pro-2A, tend to be rather conservative and usually tend to be pretty much in line with my thoughts and opinions on other issues. Not always, but usually. Why the 2nd Amendment being so important? Simple, without the right to bear arms and to defend myself, and without the protection of the 2nd Amendment, what defense is there of any other of our rights? IMO, there isn't any defense of our other rights. That is my belief in why the Founding Father thought that the 2nd Amendment was so important, that it was the second right they acknowledged as being such an important right to affirm for the citizens. That it was there to oppress tyranny from the government.

In many ways, I too am a libertarian, of some sorts. I wish there was something more than just a two party system of voting that we have had for way too many years. But, at present time, we have to look at the bigger picture. Trump campaigned on delivering certain things, such as, more and better jobs, a healthier economy, a stronger national defense, border walls, and many other things. He has either delivered, or is attempting to deliver on those promises.

Trump was not my first choice in 2016. It was Ted Cruz. When Trump got the nomination for president, I put my faith and support behind him and voted for him. Hillary wasn't an option for me. I don't like her or her politics or her attitude. I AM one of those "deplorables" she despises, and disrespected. Trump isn't perfect, but he sure is a damn sight a thousand times better than Hillary Clinton IMO.

I have too been looking at Jo Jorgensen as well. I do like some of her policies and opinions. But, waiting until five months before the national elections was a bad decision to make IMO. IF she is serious about running, she should have been out campaigning at least a year ago, of not two years ago. Personally, I don't see her having a chance of winning, so no I won't be voting for her. Trump is the best option at this stage of the game. So Trump will be getting my vote. IMO, voting for anyone other than Trump, is a vote for Biden and his handlers, and whomever they put with Biden to run the Democratic show in November.

I will not tell you how to vote, or who to vote for. That is your choice entirely, and your right. It is entirely your business on who you vote for, and you owe me, nor anyone else any justifications on your choice. But you offered the question, and this simply my opinions on why and who I will be voting for.

 

[candcallen]

If you cant vote for one vote against the worst possible outcome.

Any vote not cast or cast for a 3rd party is a vote for the worst possible outcome. Vote for our bumbling buffoon of a president.

You think these rioters and marxist pos are bad now imagine a virtue signaling feckless biden as president, er who ever his Vice president is as president.

 

[smittyb]

 

[smittyb]

 

[smittyb]

 

[smittyb]

I don’t see how you can be a one issue second amendment voter, and not vote for her.

 

[Younggun]

Based on my own sets of principles, I don't want to vote for either Democratic nominee or Republican incumbent. I don't agree with the stance on issues from the former and behavior of the latter.

The current system is designed such, that there can be only 2 viable parties. In spite of that, I'm looking for other options.

Well, here we go again. A Libertarian party nominee. In 2020 it is Jo Jorgensen. No exorbital campaign money, probably no electors either... In the current system it is doomed to fail. In spite that, I agree with the most of her opinions on the issues. Too bad it is not highlighted in the mainstream at all.

What do you think about the issues?
https://joj2020.com/issues-jo-jorgensen/

What's your take on the Q&A?
https://joj2020.com/qa/

I'm a gun owner, but I'm not an "one issue voter". It sucks to be forced to choose between 2 evils...

Her immigration policies in general seem to lean away from what I would vote for and based on past Libertarian party candidates my guess it she leans much further to the left on immigration topics she doesn’t leave an answer for.

This:

“Q: Should cities open drug “safe havens” where people who are addicted to illegal drugs can use them under the supervision of medical professionals?
A: Yes, but better to legalize all drugs”

amounts to tax payers footing the bill for crackheads. **** that.

She also skips over abortion altogether.

Her 2A views seem great but it’s unlikely she would get anywhere close to repealing all gun laws. Why vote for what won’t happen anyways while losing on other issues and the same time?


Regardless of the system, there will never be more than 2 viable candidates. Smart candidates just choose a party ticket. Trump is not a republican. He’s not a conservative either. The labels are fairly meaningless these days but Trump really doesn’t fit then. He’s a 3rd party candidate that was smart enough to choose a ticket to run on that could win.


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[sidebite252]

I’ve always wondered “what if” their were more than 2 basic parties. I can see the Republican Party becoming 2 or 3 different parties and the Democrats could become half a dozen. I like the concept of the Libertarian philosophy or at least what little I know of it. No government or very little is a good thing IMO

 

[oldag]

Based on my own sets of principles, I don't want to vote for either Democratic nominee or Republican incumbent. I don't agree with the stance on issues from the former and behavior of the latter.

The current system is designed such, that there can be only 2 viable parties. In spite of that, I'm looking for other options.

Well, here we go again. A Libertarian party nominee. In 2020 it is Jo Jorgensen. No exorbital campaign money, probably no electors either... In the current system it is doomed to fail. In spite that, I agree with the most of her opinions on the issues. Too bad it is not highlighted in the mainstream at all.

What do you think about the issues?
https://joj2020.com/issues-jo-jorgensen/

What's your take on the Q&A?
https://joj2020.com/qa/

I'm a gun owner, but I'm not an "one issue voter". It sucks to be forced to choose between 2 evils...

When you vote for a candidate who has zero chance of winning, you will be failing to keep the left wing out of control. You will in essence be abdicating to the Biden.

"All that is needed for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." And by voting for a candidate who has zero chance of winning, you will be doing nothing.

I will vote for Trump. Not because I like him (I don't) and not because I condone his all of his behavior (I don't). But because the alternative is left wing control of government. And that would lead to great harm to America.

Let me provide an analogy:
A bus carrying a large group of people is headed on a road traveling round a cliff. To one side is the cliff wall. To the other a steep precipice. All can see that the road is partially washed out ahead. You are not completely certain as to the remaining road width, but you are fairly certain the remaining road is not wide enough for the bus.

The bus driver had a heart attack when he saw the road wash out. He fell out of the driver's seat.

Three people yell out they can take over control of the bus.

Person #1 intends to go full speed ahead, likely meaning the bus will go over the precipice and do a great deal of damage to the passengers and bus. This fellow has poor morals which don't meet that of a Christian. He belongs to a group that is hostile to Christianity and has even poorer morals than he. All the people in the bus know this fellow.

Person #2 is a fellow you really don't like. His morals don't meet that of a Christian. However, his past actions as bus driver have supported Christianity. He recognizes the danger ahead and previously has demonstrated the ability to keep the bus from going off cliffs. All the people in the bus know this fellow as well.

Now there is a Person #3 who could drive the bus. You really do not know terribly much about him, but he seems to have better morals and you like him better than the other two. However, he is in the very back row of the bus. And with the panic in the bus there is absolutely no way he will ever make it to the driver's seat in time. Almost no one in the bus knows this fellow, maybe 1% of the passengers might vote for him if he is lucky. There is simply no way this guy will end up driving. And you really do not know if he is capable of driving the bus.

The passengers are taking a quick vote as to whom should be the driver. As a Christian, for whom do you vote? If you vote for Person #3, there is no way he will ever reach the driver's seat. And if you vote for Person #3, you may well indirectly help Bus Driver #1 win the vote. And thus may be responsible for inflicting a great deal of harm on the people in the bus. But you might feel good for holding the high moral ground, even as the bus goes over the cliff.

So what do you do?

 

[Younggun]

I’ve always wondered “what if” their were more than 2 basic parties. I can see the Republican Party becoming 2 or 3 different parties and the Democrats could become half a dozen. I like the concept of the Libertarian philosophy or at least what little I know of it. No government or very little is a good thing IMO

That’s what primaries are for. The multiple R party concepts are voted on with one coming out on top.

The bigger issue is that the parties are basically private organizations. Both have some issues but one is extremely corrupt and meddles:cheats in its own electoral process.


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[smittyb]

She also skips over abortion altogether.


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Even the Libertarian Party can’t agree on that one.

 

[smittyb]

When you vote for a candidate who has zero chance of winning, you will be failing to keep the left wing out of control. You will in essence be abdicating to the Biden.

Wrong. But the 2 party system sure has done an excellent job of pushing that narrative, haven’t they?

 

[rotor]

Do you remember President Ross Perot? I voted for him. Oh, that ended up going to Bill Clinton. You probably think voting your principles is the right way to go and that your vote really doesn't count. Remember President Al Gore. How close he came with just a few chads away.
Be honest. Do you want Joe Biden as president? If so vote libertarian or green or communist or BLM or whatever party you want.
Lot's of people don't like Trump's behavior. I am not thrilled with him either. I asked my California brother to tell me one policy thing that Trump did that he didn't like. Crickets chirping. I would have said bump stocks. People just don't like Trump but like his policies. Biden may be an okay person (I doubt that) but I don't like his policies. Let's all vote for Biden because he will pick a black female as VP. What a bunch of BS. A vote for Biden means the next President is going to be a Black Female, qualifications Black and Female.

 

[smittyb]

So what do you do?

While y’all are dickering about who should drive, I’d drive the fucking bus.

 

[oldag]

Wrong. But the 2 party system sure has done an excellent job of pushing that narrative, haven’t they?

Show me in a presidential election of the past 75 or so years where I am wrong?

When has some dark horse third party candidate won?

Yeah, that is what I thought.

 

[oldag]

While y’all are dickering about who should drive, I’d drive the fucking bus.

You ain't getting elected either. Sit down.

 

[smittyb]

Show me in a presidential election of the past 75 or so years where I am wrong?

When has some dark horse third party candidate won?

Yeah, that is what I thought.

That wasn’t your argument at all. Your changing the narrative.

 

[smittyb]

Do you remember President Ross Perot? I voted for him. Oh, that ended up going to Bill Clinton. You probably think voting your principles is the right way to go and that your vote really doesn't count. Remember President Al Gore. How close he came with just a few chads away.
Be honest. Do you want Joe Biden as president? If so vote libertarian or green or communist or BLM or whatever party you want.
Lot's of people don't like Trump's behavior. I am not thrilled with him either. I asked my California brother to tell me one policy thing that Trump did that he didn't like. Crickets chirping. I would have said bump stocks. People just don't like Trump but like his policies. Biden may be an okay person (I doubt that) but I don't like his policies. Let's all vote for Biden because he will pick a black female as VP. What a bunch of BS. A vote for Biden means the next President is going to be a Black Female, qualifications Black and Female.

How ridiculous. If I wanted Biden to win, I’d vote for Biden.

 

[SQLGeek]

When Clinton beat Bush, it was "Blame the third party voters! from the right.

When Trump won, it was "Blame the third party voters!" from the left.