Looks like I kicked type 2 diabetes in the balls

[benenglish]

Ask your physician to allow you to

I have never and will never ask a physician to allow me to do anything.

Physicians advise. They request. They work with their patients to come to an understanding of the best course of action.

They never "allow."

This is a pet peeve of mine. At nearly 60, I've lived long enough to encounter physicians who think they can give me orders. I've never hesitated to tell them that they can't. I have, in fact, told at least three (that I can remember offhand) that their attitude meant we were not compatible. I have ended consultations and walked out of appointments abruptly, leaving the doctor with a puzzled look on their face.

I love doctors who explain the situation, explain the alternatives, ask for my input, actually take my input into consideration, and then make recommendations. I love reaching an agreement with those good doctors who are partners in health. I love doing what they tell me. I'm healthier for it; it's a mutually beneficial relationship.

The ones who think they have some authority over me? They can go **** themselves.

the "Naturally Slim" Weight Management Program which is available on-line w/o prescription

Thank you so much for that pointer. I'll definitely check it out. Your description makes it sound like something I might find very, very useful.

 

[karlac]

Keeping in mind that the obvious and unarguable rise in obesity and diabetes in the last three decades in the US has been overseen by, and with the complicity of, the medical community, I prefer to see cites to studies supporting their advice, as well as credentials to back up the advice.
https://medicine.duke.edu/faculty/eric-charles-westman-md

 

[leVieux]

I have never and will never ask a physician to allow me to do anything.

Physicians advise. They request. They work with their patients to come to an understanding of the best course of action.

They never "allow."

This is a pet peeve of mine. At nearly 60, I've lived long enough to encounter physicians who think they can give me orders. I've never hesitated to tell them that they can't. I have, in fact, told at least three (that I can remember offhand) that their attitude meant we were not compatible. I have ended consultations and walked out of appointments abruptly, leaving the doctor with a puzzled look on their face.

I love doctors who explain the situation, explain the alternatives, ask for my input, actually take my input into consideration, and then make recommendations. I love reaching an agreement with those good doctors who are partners in health. I love doing what they tell me. I'm healthier for it; it's a mutually beneficial relationship.

The ones who think they have some authority over me? They can go **** themselves.
Thank you so much for that pointer. I'll definitely check it out. Your description makes it sound like something I might find very, very useful.

DEAR BEN,

If you'll look back at the O P of my reply, you'd see that the reason to ask a physician is that many insurance programs will pay it in full, IF PRESCRIBED. Sure, you can just go buy it, but it'll cost you $450 out of pocket. Worth a try don't you think ? leVieux

 

[Shady]

First I will be clear I have nothing to go by other than research I have done.

For every expert that says Keto is bad there is another that says there is no harm from long time use.

Now I can see experts wanting to push people to some plan other than keto that makes them money.

I see absolutely no gain for all of the experts that say keto is good and has no long term pitfalls.If they are not selling for profit keto diet stuff. If they sell stuff or promote stuff I feel that what they have to say is as tainted as the other side.

Nothing is a cure all and nothing works for everyone,

Low carb is something anyone can do and they do not have to "buy or have insurance pay for" any of it. Do you have to alter what you buy at the market yes.

In my case dropping fast food and a large part of dining out my overall monthly expenses for food has dropped roughly 200 bucks a month. The food I eat is 10 times healthier and for the most part is not processed.

I guess by this point you can figure out that I am very Pro my diet plan. And until tests show its messing with me I have no intentions to change.

Its food I can enjoy and don't have to force myself to eat or not to eat. I am never hungry and I have yet to see a permanent down side.

You all can debate Pro or Con all you want. Its just like anything you can take sides on search out the info and make a call. If it don't work don't go back to your old ways try something else.

I am a retired Med School Prof and very experienced in this area. I strongly suggest that "Keto" can be very dangerous and has very many long-term failures. Ask your physician to allow you to get on the "Naturally Slim" Weight Management Program which is available on-line w/o prescription. This teaches life-long habits and similar but less restrictive limitations. If your physician prescribes it, your insurance may cover the $450 cost; but ASK First. O/W, you could just buy it on-line.
This program is 100% science based with tons of research and results. Difference, this provides long term relief from overweight; much unlike KETO which has over 90% long-term failures. This comes from the LSU Pennington Biomedical Center @ Baton Rouge and is used extensively throughout the University of Texas Systems. It was developed BECAUSE OF the numerous long term failures of your "Keto". leVieux

 

[Shady]

I am glad that you are a healthy individual and take care of yourself.

But if you are not a prediabletic or worse your feelings and things that work for you may not work for someone that does not have a body that is working correctly Enjoy your life and do what works for you.

I have 0 interest in building muscle or spending hours in a gym or running pounding and abusing my joints. I could care less if I have a six pac or a smooth oiled body.

I am 50 have had no other medical problems other than diabetes and found something that works for me.

I average almost 300 grams of carbs per day and average 3300 per day total calories with about 40% coming from protein

I eat about 5 times a day. Insulin is anabolic and helps muscle growth

So by eating more frequently, it promotes the building of muscle if you train

I need those carbs to do what I do.
If I dont eat enough carbs on the day before I train, I feel it. Food is fuel.

If you are not active...dont over eat.
Overeating is what makes you overweight...not the type of food , or when you eat it, or any other bullshit you read.
If you consume more calories than your body needs, you will gain fat.


I train 4 days a week. heavy weights. I do very little cardio.

My body fat percentage is around 22%

If you have high body fat % and think that doesnt effect your insulin sensitivity, you are wrong because it does

Most doctors dont care if you become diabetic under their care, they will just treat you for it. There is little that you can say to most people to get them to change habits before they become diabetic anyway.

My last three fasted blood test were all between 95-97

6 years ago I was warned by a doc that I was headed for pre diabetes so I started making changes. Mostly body fat and exercise level

I still eat about 70-100 grams of fats a day.
Mostly from eggs , nuts and other good sources

I eat a little fried food, but not much
But I eat a lot of gold potatoes and sweet potatoes, white rice and some bread when I want it.

Lots of potassium and vitamins A in the potatoes.

 

[leVieux]

It is your life and advice is free.

Those who spend their lives studying these things disagree.

leVieux

 

[vmax]

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I have 0 interest in building muscle or spending hours in a gym or running pounding and abusing my joints. I could care less if I have a six pac or a smooth oiled body.

I am 50 have had no other medical problems other than diabetes and found something that works for me.

I’m glad you have found a way to keep your blood sugar under control.
If you are 50, you have another problem whether you realize it or not that will effect your overall health
All of us guys over 45 face this.

It’s called sarcopenia and if you take some steps to counteract it, you will have better health overall.

Building muscle or counteracting sarcopenia doesn’t have to mean pounding away at barbells in the gym for hours. It can be any type of resistance work.
Some form of exercise a few times a week will also benefit your diabetic condition.
I’m not saying anything other than look into it and read about it.

 

[wcthetexan]

I am glad to read a discussion on healthy eating here, and glad to see others getting healthy.

I would like to suggest additionally that you look into fasting. We literally eat far more than we need.

I recommend two books:
The Complete Guide to Fasting by Dr. Jason Fung
Keto Clarity by Jimmy Moore

As far as what doctors have to say, and the person in post #80 that said Keto was dangerous, far too many of these types are still stuck in the past on the government recommendations of eating low fat and high carb, the reverse of Keto. Even the govt knows those recommendations are wrong. They just can't admit they were wrong. And it would effect whole industries that revolve around low fat products. Remember that food companies want us to buy all the food they make, whether we need it or not.

 

[TxStetson]

I’m glad you have found a way to keep your blood sugar under control.
If you are 50, you have another problem whether you realize it or not that will effect your overall health
All of us guys over 45 face this.

It’s called sarcopenia and if you take some steps to counteract it, you will have better health overall.

Building muscle or counteracting sarcopenia doesn’t have to mean pounding away at barbells in the gym for hours. It can be any type of resistance work.
Some form of exercise a few times a week will also benefit your diabetic condition.
I’m not saying anything other than look into it and read about it.

So we could pick up tree stumps and pose for pictures with them.

 

[vmax]

So we could pick up tree stumps and pose for pictures with them.

If you did it for reps..yes.

 

[karlac]

I’m glad you have found a way to keep your blood sugar under control.
If you are 50, you have another problem whether you realize it or not that will effect your overall health
All of us guys over 45 face this.

It’s called sarcopenia and if you take some steps to counteract it, you will have better health overall.

Building muscle or counteracting sarcopenia doesn’t have to mean pounding away at barbells in the gym for hours. It can be any type of resistance work.
Some form of exercise a few times a week will also benefit your diabetic condition.
I’m not saying anything other than look into it and read about it.

Good post. What’s interesting is the recommended diet in the link below sounds very much like a lower carb, quality fat and protein diet that some have found beneficial in this thread.

https://draxe.com/health/sarcopenia/

 

[Glenn B]

Ya I know its not cured but its laying on the ground writhing in pain.

Congratulations.

 

[benenglish]

So we could pick up tree stumps and pose for pictures with them.

 

[vmax]

Good post. What’s interesting is the recommended diet in the link below sounds very much like a lower carb, quality fat and protein diet that some have found beneficial in this thread.

https://draxe.com/health/sarcopenia/

I skimmed the article you posted and the number 1 recommendation was Exercise and to not be sedentary.

The only mention that I even found of carbohydrates was it mentioned that some simple carbs high in sugar are inflammatory and chronic inflammation is linked to sarcopenia.

I didnt see anywhere in the article you posted to limit carbs for any other reason.

The big takeaway from the article you posted as far as diet that I saw was to increase protein and make you you are getting your vitamins , supplement with fish oil for Omega 3, and manage your T levels.

I did not bring up sarcopenia in order to continue the argument over carbohydrate intake. I brought it up to enhance this discussion about overall mens health as we age and the benefits of doing some type of resistance exercise to fight muscle loss, lose fat, and to increase insulin sensitivity.

 

[karlac]

I skimmed the article you posted

Nuff said ...

 

[Hoji]

Ya I know its not cured but its laying on the ground writhing in pain.

So after several years as a type2 going and seeing the doc every 3-4 months having my meds upped each time I stumbled into a web page talking about Keto and it helping out with blood sugar levels and a1c.

I hate dr and hate meds so i jumped on the Keto plan full force. After the first month and a DR visit all of my numbers had plummeted. A1c was from 8.4 to 7.6 blood sugars were under 100 and the Dr lowered my meds removed me from Lisinopril as several nights my BS dropped to under 60 and I woke with cold sweats shaking and had to pop sugar pills.

next check BS were still good A1c dropped to 6.1 she cut my metformin in 1/2 again.

Next check she removed me from all meds a1c was 5.8

Now not 1 time was I told that a drastic change in diet could result in lower meds or removal from meds. Granted it was a general practitioner and i HIGHLY recommend going to a diabetic specialist now that I know you don't have to stay on the wheel of more and more Dr visits and higher and higher doses or stronger meds. And make sure that specialist is aware of alternative methods over just text book prescribe more take them and call me in the morning.

Is keto a cure all save the world thing with no issues I have no clue would I recommend it as something to try Hell yes if you are over weight or type 2 diabetic.

I also lost 40ish lbs without starving or adding in more exercise but I do physical labor 40-50 hours a week and walk my dog 2-3 miles a day work days and 4+ on my days off once in the am and then late afternoon.

I have not been losing anymore weight and I could lose 20lbs easy and still be considered overweight lol. but if I decided to by trimming some of the cheese and other
stuff I enjoy it would come off.

I started with the goal of getting type2 under control and it has done that. Weight loss was a bonus it has not driven any other parameters out of kelter but none were bad when I started.

I will say I have been strict with 0 cheats and no days off.
I never got Keto Flu

I did have very loose stool the first week or so

I have had a few boughts of constipation something I never had before but nothing that took me to the hospital .

Like it or hate it Keto worked for me and the cost of no real pasta or breads is well worth the price of admission to me and I LOVE pasta and bread.

If you choose to try it I recommend letting your Dr know. and do continue to see them.

Wellfuckingdone!!!

 

[vmax]

Nuff said ...

Show me in the article you posted that is says to eat low carb, other than to stay away for from sugar carbs for the purpose of chronic inflammation.
I must have missed it.

 

[karlac]

Show me in the article you posted that is says to eat low carb,

Show me where I said that ...

Good post. What’s interesting is the recommended diet in the link below sounds very much like a lower carb, quality fat and protein diet

Did you miss, by just skimming the article, that by advocating increasing your daily intake of quality protein and fats, you are thereby lowering your carb ratio with regard to daily caloric intake?

 

[vmax]

Show me where I said that ...


Did you miss, by just skimming the article, that by advocating increasing your daily intake of quality protein and fats, you are thereby lowering your carb ratio with regard to daily caloric intake?

yeah, I missed that because IT ISNT THERE.

Your article, that you chose to post says to "supplement" Omega 3 Fatty acids... and it says "You can consider supplementing with fish oil or flaxseed oil to increase your omega-3 acid intake"

so.. take some fish oil pills or flaxseed oil pills

And from that you got increase fats and lower your carbs? Does any sane person count the calories in a fish oil pill and use that to adjust their daily calorie intake?

"Want a baked potato sir?"

"I'd better pass on that , I've done had 2 fish oil pills today!" LOL.... how freaking dumb.

@karlac I could give 2 shits what you eat or don't eat. I posted my experience about starting down the road to pre-diabetes and what I did that worked for me then I posted the information on sarcopenia and you want to make a war out of carbs or no carbs based on the topic of muscle loss in older guys.

If a person is already diabetic and they limit or cut carbs to control blood sugar, good for them. But the fact is that whether you are diabetic, pre-diabetic or neither of those, everyone that is able to, could benefit from some form of weekly exercise and not being sedentary as it relates to blood sugar and insulin sensitivity and loosing body fat.

 

[karlac]

I could give 2 shits what you eat or don't eat

Then start acting like it ...