Lubbock TX video of shooting

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Something to think about, tactically. Blue shirt has a chance at tactical advantage before the first shot goes off. He closed the ground, however he never really got control of black shirt. His mistake was trying to bat or grab the gun. Fûck that, get a handful of shirt and pull the threat closer.

From there, if blue shirt had a push dagger or fixed blade, he can gut black shirt or attack the left kidney even without control of black shirt pretty quickly with a short blow, but it does increase the likelihood of getting shot.

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Something to think about, tactically. Blue shirt has a chance at tactical advantage before the first shot goes off. He closed the ground, however he never really got control of black shirt. His mistake was trying to bat or grab the gun. Fûck that, get a handful of shirt and pull the threat closer.

From there, if blue shirt had a push dagger or fixed blade, he can gut black shirt or attack the left kidney even without control of black shirt pretty quickly with a short blow, but it does increase the likelihood of getting shot.

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But he was too busy chest-pushing and putting his face in the other guy's in an attempt to intimidate him. Then stupidly wrestling for the gun, which was a contest he lost. Big time.

Tactically, I'd say he lost the encounter when a firearm was presented. The correct tactical decision would've been a withdrawal until the police arrived and then court action to resolve the custody issue. Him going to the ex's house, trying to be all macho and intimidate her boyfriend, and then grabbing for the weapon...those all added up to two holes in his chest.
 

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But he was too busy chest-pushing and putting his face in the other guy's in an attempt to intimidate him. Then stupidly wrestling for the gun, which was a contest he lost. Big time.

Tactically, I'd say he lost the encounter when a firearm was presented. The correct tactical decision would've been a withdrawal until the police arrived and then court action to resolve the custody issue. Him going to the ex's house, trying to be all macho and intimidate her boyfriend, and then grabbing for the weapon...those all added up to two holes in his chest.

In a situation like that where the guy comes out with a long gun - I'd much rather be at kissing distance than anything beyond arm length. While its not impossible to be shot with a long gun when hugging someone and tying up their arms, its a hell of a lot harder. As soon as they can get that gun off their body and do a rough body index, your chances of getting shot go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up. I agree with Todd's assessment above - dead guy, had he been armed with a blade and thinking more clearly could've ended Kyle's threat to his life really damn quick.

Ego, temper over a woman playing games with your kids and your right to see them, and clouded judgement can happen to the best of men. Damn shame it got this guy killed.
 

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Something to think about, tactically. Blue shirt has a chance at tactical advantage before the first shot goes off. He closed the ground, however he never really got control of black shirt. His mistake was trying to bat or grab the gun. Fûck that, get a handful of shirt and pull the threat closer.

From there, if blue shirt had a push dagger or fixed blade, he can gut black shirt or attack the left kidney even without control of black shirt pretty quickly with a short blow, but it does increase the likelihood of getting shot.

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1) do not get yourself in this position
2) If you do find yourself in this position, fight like your life depends upon it to control the direction of the muzzle.
 

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The moment of truth. The struggle for gun flipped both around, and sent both backwards. This is basically where they landed, and Kyle fired..


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Something to think about, tactically. Blue shirt has a chance at tactical advantage before the first shot goes off. He closed the ground, however he never really got control of black shirt. His mistake was trying to bat or grab the gun. Fûck that, get a handful of shirt and pull the threat closer.

From there, if blue shirt had a push dagger or fixed blade, he can gut black shirt or attack the left kidney even without control of black shirt pretty quickly with a short blow, but it does increase the likelihood of getting shot.

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But he was too busy chest-pushing and putting his face in the other guy's in an attempt to intimidate him. Then stupidly wrestling for the gun, which was a contest he lost. Big time.

Tactically, I'd say he lost the encounter when a firearm was presented. The correct tactical decision would've been a withdrawal until the police arrived and then court action to resolve the custody issue. Him going to the ex's house, trying to be all macho and intimidate her boyfriend, and then grabbing for the weapon...those all added up to two holes in his chest.
In a situation like that where the guy comes out with a long gun - I'd much rather be at kissing distance than anything beyond arm length. While its not impossible to be shot with a long gun when hugging someone and tying up their arms, its a hell of a lot harder. As soon as they can get that gun off their body and do a rough body index, your chances of getting shot go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up. I agree with Todd's assessment above - dead guy, had he been armed with a blade and thinking more clearly could've ended Kyle's threat to his life really damn quick.

Ego, temper over a woman playing games with your kids and your right to see them, and clouded judgement can happen to the best of men. Damn shame it got this guy killed.
In this moment was his safest to take black shirt down. When avoiding power of strikes you close the gap. He has a text book arm lock and hip toss but going to the ground could be unwise as he could still get shot if black shirt has good reaction time and you fail to strip the gun. Blue shirts best chance was to tie up the arm, put him on the wall, keep the gap tight, and hold out until help arrives. And at that point if he starts shooting blind and really being dangerous you’re going to have to keep that gap tight on one hip and elbow his face into hamburger.
 

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In a situation like that where the guy comes out with a long gun - I'd much rather be at kissing distance than anything beyond arm length. While its not impossible to be shot with a long gun when hugging someone and tying up their arms, its a hell of a lot harder. As soon as they can get that gun off their body and do a rough body index, your chances of getting shot go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up. I agree with Todd's assessment above - dead guy, had he been armed with a blade and thinking more clearly could've ended Kyle's threat to his life really damn quick.

Ego, temper over a woman playing games with your kids and your right to see them, and clouded judgement can happen to the best of men. Damn shame it got this guy killed.
and that is exactly what happened

Chad(aka dead guy) closed the distance even grabbing the gun at one point to keep it pointed away and Kyle(shooter) moved back when he could for the shot
 
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