Lubbock TX video of shooting

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and that is exactly what happened

Chad(aka dead guy) closed the distance even grabbing the gun at one point to keep it pointed away and Kyle(shooter) moved back when he could for the shot

Viewing the video from inside the house - it looks like Chad kind of swung Kyle a bit - and Kyle was able to maintain balance, take a shooting stance, and fire the deadly shots.
 

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…Tactically, I'd say he lost the encounter when a firearm was presented. The correct tactical decision would've been a withdrawal until the police arrived…
I hear what you’re saying and disagree. Blue shirt lost the encounter tactically when he was probably a school yard bully.

My entire point is two-fold; a gun isn’t the end-all tool, there’s damn good reason to carry a utilitarian folder and a fighting knife and Mattis had it right, ‘Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.’ I get most people don’t think in those terms, but they should. Had parts one and two been in play, part three would not have happened.
 

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people should really not get into ego battles, or go for people's guns during said ego battle. live like an idiot, die like an idiot.
people will say bad shoot, but he gave express warning multiple times to leave and kick rocks before the dude in the green shirt tried to be billy badass and ended up in a pine box like the moron he was. just my 2 cents on this whole thing.
 

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I hear what you’re saying and disagree. Blue shirt lost the encounter tactically when he was probably a school yard bully.

My entire point is two-fold; a gun isn’t the end-all tool, there’s damn good reason to carry a utilitarian folder and a fighting knife and Mattis had it right, ‘Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.’ I get most people don’t think in those terms, but they should. Had parts one and two been in play, part three would not have happened.
Assume everyone is your enemy until proven otherwise.
 

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I hear what you’re saying and disagree. Blue shirt lost the encounter tactically when he was probably a school yard bully.

My entire point is two-fold; a gun isn’t the end-all tool, there’s damn good reason to carry a utilitarian folder and a fighting knife and Mattis had it right, ‘Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.’ I get most people don’t think in those terms, but they should. Had parts one and two been in play, part three would not have happened.

When he forgot what his mission objective was, he was done.
 

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I hear what you’re saying and disagree. Blue shirt lost the encounter tactically when he was probably a school yard bully.

My entire point is two-fold; a gun isn’t the end-all tool, there’s damn good reason to carry a utilitarian folder and a fighting knife and Mattis had it right, ‘Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet.’ I get most people don’t think in those terms, but they should. Had parts one and two been in play, part three would not have happened.
I can see where both of you are right. It’s important to understand the situation your in and the mentality of those you’re talking with. If you have a guy who’s dumb enough to solve a verbal altercation that doesn’t meet the requirements of deadly force but comes back with a gun in what would then otherwise be a trespassing case, why would I trust him to me smart enough for this to end well? Zods logic might be the most sound and less risky.
 

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Sometimes, doing the smart thing, some might not consider the brave, or cool thing to do, but it usually works in your favor in the end. Usually.
 

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Sometimes, doing the smart thing, some might not consider the brave, or cool thing to do, but it usually works in your favor in the end. Usually.
It reminds me of casino fights. The crowd gets angry, drunk and macho. The fighters who use their training keep cool.

If I’m boxing with a conservative opponent for example, and I go to the center of the ring to shake it off and get my second wind, how many May view it as none manly? Same in any fight. Being chill and controlling your emotions has often been why I could survive from someone who can physically out class me.

I see no difference in using guns to defend myself. We need to try and make good choices and sometimes bad guys force muscle memory and don’t allow us to walk away.
 

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