Mag changes

Discussion in 'Training & Competition' started by htxred, Jun 25, 2008.

  1. htxred

    htxred Active Member

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    im curious as to how many here actually practice mag changes, rather its out in an open field, infront of a shooter's box, or my personal favorite, at home infront of a mirror...

    Reason i asked is because something i've noticed that is common during mag changes are people drop their head, people try to mag change out way infront of them, and people try to go faster then they should.

    Dropping your head IMO isnt such a great practice because 1 it causes you to take your eyes off the threat, and 2 it causes for the shooter to want to do a "low" mag change. cons of doing a low mag change would be visual impairment in low light situations AND the fact that you then have to take MORE time to look back up and get your sights on the threat.

    simple solution would be for when you press the mag release button, to turn your gun to the side right away so tha tyou can see the opening of the magwell as you're pulling the gun back towards your face. this allows for the front sight to semi stay on target and keeps you from putting your head down verus looking down. this also helps when inserting the new mag since both the mag and magwell are right infront of your face, once you've confirmed the mag IS in the magwell, look back up as you palm slap the mag in and place your sights back on target. all together this method would be less movement, since your not changing the angle of your neck/head, and your gun basically is only coming in and out from your body, verus in and down then back up. then of course the rotation of your wrist. but its easier to keep eyes and sights on the threat IMO...

    but then easier said then done right?

    when you try to do a mag change way out infront of you verus close to your body, the "strong zone" where you're most strong at, it causes you to sometimes lean forward and you dont have the amount of strength you would have if you brought the gun into the strong zone. bend your elbows and bring the gun into your face as you're doing the mag change. i really dont know what key points to point out that would back up my suggestion but visually, its understood why one would be superior to the other, tactically.

    Going faster then you should causes all kinds of mishaps that just slow you down in the long run. if it takes you x amount of time to fire off 2 shots, mag change, then 2 more shots, you shouldnt be trying to go faster unless you can successfully do that 10 times or maybe even more. trying to finish faster leaves more time for error. easier said then done though right??

    i could totally be off on what i've said, but its just something that i wanted to share since most have "seen" good mag changes, but dont understand what makes them good.
     


  2. DoubleActionCHL

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    While I am certainly no expert, I learned and practice the following:

    First, always keep the muzzle pointed at the attacker, whether you're reloading, clearing a malfunction, etc. Pull the weapon into your chest (shooting or strong hand side) into a Compressed Contact position. If you're speed reloading, drop your magazine and rotate the weapon clockwise a little less than 90 degrees.

    Grasp your fresh mag from your support (weak) side with the butt of the magazine resting on the heel of your hand and index finger running down the face of the mag. If you fingers are long enough, the tip of your index finger should be touching the tip of the first round.

    Tilt the magazine so the rear of the tip inserts into the mag well; you should be able to feel the correct positioning with your index finger. Rock the magazine forward so its in proper alignment, open your hand and slam it in.

    Charge the weapon by grasping over the top rear of the slide. Don't pinch the rear. Push with your shooting hand, pull with your support hand. This should be one fluid motion that transitions you back into your tactical shooting stance to re-engage your attacker.

    With just a little practice, you can do this without looking at your weapon.
     
  3. 50calRay

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    So how many people actually drop magazines?
     
  4. DoubleActionCHL

    DoubleActionCHL Well-Known

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    I do. Sometimes without even trying! :D
     
  5. Pony

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    I practice tactical and emergency reloads. I always drop the mag in emergency, and strip to a pocket in tactical. I try to ingrain muscle memory so it becomes reflexive. Regardless as to the method I always keep my muzzle pointed on target. An empty magazine is useless, so why fumble to retain it - strip it to the ground. I would never want an empty magazine on me, ever. The loudest sound in a gun fight would surely be 'click' instead of 'bang' :eek:

    I always check for my spare mag before stripping the empty magazine (a quick tap with my elbow to confirm it is present). I think the only thing worse than running your gun dry is to run it dry and let your opponent know its condition. You can seek cover and hope your opponent decides to take the opportunity to make an escape if they do not know you are all out of ammo. Stripping a magazine and discovering you have nothing to insert is a clear indication you are all out of luck; if my wife is going to collect my body, I'd rather not be remembered as the guy who poo-ed himself right before he was shot LOL.

     
  6. DoubleActionCHL

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    I agree that there's no good reason to retain an empty mag during a gun fight, and we should train for real-life. I practice dropping my empty most often. I should probably practice tactical (reloading with retention) more often, but I honestly don't see myself getting into an extended gun battle where this will be an issue (famous last words?).

    By this logic, however, I'd have to concede to those who say "I can't see ever needing to carry a gun."

    I guess I'd better start practicing those tactical reloads. :D
     
  7. htxred

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    i always drop my mag even when im doing a retention drill, but thats my own fault for not remembering.
     
  8. DoubleActionCHL

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    I thought it was those stubby little fingers... :D
     
  9. Texas1911

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    Watched a video that covered this. It went to a story about the revolver days of police work and that they always would collect the brass on the reload and put it in their pocket. When the same officers were engaged in a gun fight a number of police were found dead with brass in their pockets. Under stress they had taken the time to place it in their pocket since that is how they trained. That 2 seconds could have been the difference between life and death for the officers.

    It drives home a very valid point to train as you fight.

    I know in baseball if you developed bad habits and sloppy mental focus during practice you were equally likely to do the same in a game. I'm sure this applies in greater detail to high stress situations.

    One must train as megaforce, and be megaforce.
     
  10. htxred

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    ironman > *
     

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