Militant Vegan Protestors

[HKShooter65]

there is still no defined link between us and apes. T

Look into our 23 pairs of chromosomes and the #2a and #2b chromosomes of the other hominids (like chimps) that have 24 pairs of crhomosomes.

Pretty definitive evidence that we evolved from earlier primates.


To overstate the obvious......there is no tenable alternative theory of where homo sapiens came from.

 

[HKShooter65]

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The fact that you dismiss intelligent design limits your thinking.

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Intelligent design continues to be an intriguing hypothesis with zero supportive evidence.

It exists in the same realm as the theory of SpongeBob living in a pineapple under the sea.

 

[Dad_Roman]

Intelligent design continues to be an intriguing hypothesis with zero supportive evidence.

Said the intelligently designed being.

 

[BuzzinSATX]

Intelligent design continues to be an intriguing hypothesis with zero supportive evidence.

It exists in the same realm as the theory of SpongeBob living in a pineapple under the sea.

Wow! What a pompous and condescending statement!

Documented miracles witnessed throughout time by thousands of people not withstanding, you just put millions of people who believe in a higher power it the same category as a 5 year old watching cartoons.

 

[Bozz10mm]

If we evolved from apes, why are there still apes?

 

[BillFairbanks]

I don’t know how much I agree with this. Without bringing my spiritual beliefs into the discussion, suffice it to say I don’t believe we humans “evolved” from other creatures on this rock.

Before you argue the point, I ask you to consider is this one question:

If we evolved on this planet from the “primordial ooze”, why is it we humans are the one creature on this blue rock that cannot live without changing our environment (we need shelter), eat most things other critters can without boiling or cooking, or see in the dark on a planet that has night almost half the time?

I’ll ignore and won’t even ask why our sense of smell, hearing, or eyesight suck compared to other creatures, or why human babies are so fragile and helpless compared to other mammals.

I refuse to accept arguments about our mastery of fire or how we learned to build structures or even that we became farmers. That stuff hasn’t (supposedly) happen d that recently, and evolution does not work that fast to take those important abilities completely away.

I didn’t say anything about evolution.

I reject the premise that humanity is some sort of virus on the natural world.


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[benenglish]

This thread is dancing on an edge.

 

[Dawico]

I didn’t say anything about evolution.

I reject the premise that humanity is some sort of virus on the natural world.


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Why? I think it's pretty obvious that we aren't helping the natural world. We are actually destroying it.

We are poisoning the air, water, and land. The more advanced we get the more damage we cause and it's only getting worse.

Which part of this earth have we improved? What have we really made better?

 

[Dawico]

This thread is dancing on an edge.

Yes it is.

Not sure how much the civility of the conversation helps keep it open or if it really matters.

It's a good conversation though.

 

[2ManyGuns]

@Dawico, I would argue that as our technology increases we are doing less harm. The more a country becomes a modern industrial state we have fewer harmful emissions. As we progress we find better and cleaner ways of maximizing efficiency. The most detrimental issue is human greed when it comes to processes, cheaper is not always better/efficient.

I do not know where in Lampasas you are, but here, there have been many improvements since the 70's.

 

[benenglish]

Not sure how much the civility of the conversation helps keep it open or if it really matters.

It's a good conversation though.

Civility always matters. What's keeping this thread open is that everyone involved knows how to avoid stepping squarely on the third rail.

 

[BillFairbanks]

Why? I think it's pretty obvious that we aren't helping the natural world. We are actually destroying it.

We are poisoning the air, water, and land. The more advanced we get the more damage we cause and it's only getting worse.

Which part of this earth have we improved? What have we really made better?

Every organism produces waste.

I reject the idea that the Earth is somehow better off without humanity. To me, that’s a horribly dark philosophy.

I like the human race. I happen to be a human. I don’t fantasize about the Earth being devoid of humanity.


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[Dawico]

@Dawico, I would argue that as our technology increases we are doing less harm. The more a country becomes a modern industrial state we have fewer harmful emissions. As we progress we find better and cleaner ways of maximizing efficiency. The most detrimental issue is human greed when it comes to processes, cheaper is not always better/efficient.

I do not know where in Lampasas you are, but here, there have been many improvements since the 70's.

I don't equate doing less harm with actually doing good for the planet.

Besides that, look at how many more "clean" factories we have now than in the '70s. While each factory is cleaner there are ten times as many.

And really that's just the US. Many countries haven't made the progress we have as far as less emissions but they are still making more factories.

Take it to a simpler level and just drive around. How much land is being plowed under to make new homes, roads, and businesses? Land that hasn't really been touched since the beginning of time.

We are destroying fields, farmland, and forests so we can spread.

We are digging huge holes in the earth so we can make batteries for our "clean" battery operated vehicles. Is that really helping the earth and nature? That's without even considering the fuel burned to dig these holes.

Take my truck as another example. My '97 diesel used half the diesel to do the same work as my newer "cleaner" truck. While the fuel is burning cleaner it takes twice as much to move the same distance. Is this really progress?

Look at the total number of vehicles on the road compared to the '70s. Yes, they burn fuel cleaner but look at just how many more there are. Is that improving the earth?

I could give similar examples in every facet of our lives all day long.

Nothing we do is to truly save the Earth. It is all to keep it habitable for humans. We save the Earth so we can survive here. We don't care about the Earth, we care about ourselves and our survival.

Viruses eventually kill their host and that is the path we are on.

 

[Dawico]

Every organism produces waste.

I reject the idea that the Earth is somehow better off without humanity. To me, that’s a horribly dark philosophy.

I like the human race. I happen to be a human. I don’t fantasize about the Earth being devoid of humanity.


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Don't get me wrong, I don't fantasize about the Earth being devoid of humanity either. I like being here too.

It may be a horribly dark philosophy but it is the truth.

We do nothing to make the Earth a better place that doesn't have our own self preservation as the ultimate goal.

 

[avvidclif]

I don't believe but 1/3 of what I say so beware one who takes me seriously.

I'm up to 100% of what you say.

 

[Dan_Reidy]

Pigs, by most measures, a smarter that horses.

Come say hi. I'll be the guy with the protest sign in the bacon section in the Wimberely HEB tomorrow.

Both the earth and most humans would be healthier if we all ate less animal protein but, damn, I love bacon!

Stand Strong!

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[avvidclif]

I'm a true vegan. I only eat natural grass. I just let cows, pigs, sheep, goats etc process it for me first.

 

[BillFairbanks]

We do nothing to make the Earth a better place that doesn't have our own self preservation as the ultimate goal.

What’s wrong with that? Every organism’s primary goals are self preservation and preservation of its offspring.

We’re the only organism that creates parks and programs to help preserve other species.

Throughout the history of the Earth there have been countless species which have caused the extinction of other species.

I, along with everyone else, want clean air and water as well as preservation of the environment, because it benefits humanity.



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[Dad_Roman]

Brazilian Rain Forest

Flushing your reactors cooling water into the sea

No one ever fussed about the Shuttle but everytime they lit those solid boosters they puked out enough crap to account for operating every car in the US for a period of time. I forget how long, a week, a month, a year, somethin.

Yea, some of this shit bothers me.

 

[pronstar]

Brazilian Rain Forest

Flushing your reactors cooling water into the sea

No one ever fussed about the Shuttle but everytime they lit those solid boosters they puked out enough crap to account for operating every car in the US for a period of time. I forget how long, a week, a month, a year, somethin.

Yea, some of this shit bothers me.

...and the pollution from ships is orders of magnitude more than all automobiles combined.

https://www.statista.com/chart/18351/emissions-from-cruise-ships-and-cars-in-european-port-cities/


https://medium.com/@victoria27/here...tainers-and-freight-trucks-cause-b358cb034c70



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