Mosque minarets banned by Swiss

[M. Sage]

Why would they feel that way? people in the steeples aren't blowing themselves up to kill muslims or anyone else for that matter. Nor do they kill you for your beliefs, or remain silent when someone from their religion does just that. (Although if the people of the cresent moon continue to go down this evil road of death, they are going to learn the hardway from those of us who know thier intent and their hearts). The people of the steeple tend to speakout against injustice, even for the unborn, they tend to support the rule of law...ain't seen any of that over here in the cresent moon society. The people from the steeples aren't the cause of fighting 48 of the 50 wars worldwide. The people of the steeple are the true peace loving religion, to say the other is, is just BS. The swiss called it for what it is. the sooner the rest of us understand it the better able we will be able to deal with this evil religion. atriot:

IRA, PIRA, ULA to name three. That's all in the same region, but I'm sure if I actually try to find them I can find them elsewhere.

In fact... here you go: Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Any fundamentalist is one step from becoming a terrorist. Any religion's fundamentalism is a breeding ground for it.

 

[Hawghauler]

Christians have bad guys and tempers too. Hitler is a good example. There is a huge difference though. Other Christians put these bad ones in their place.

 

[DirtyD]

I am not a religious scholar, but my understanding is that their religion, unlike Christianity, calls for death to non-believers. For over a thousand years they have historically killed those that they can not convert. Not to mention, I am sick and tired of the double standard of political correctness....

 

[TrailDust]

Lots of excellent replies in this thread, and I'll only add this. I applaud the Swiss too from the standpoint that they did what they felt is right for them. Obviously, rounding up people like the Nazis is going way too far, but any country/any people should do what they feel is right for them. Giving up your national heritage, your national identity, like the British, Swedish, or Germans have for the sake of appeasing foreigners and/or kissing the butt of political correctness, is an abomination and just plain wrong. The Swiss aren't saying Muslims aren't welcome to visit or even live in their country, just don't build any mosques with minarets there, that's all. By comparison, try building a church in most of the Arabic-speaking world and see what happens.

 

[DCortez]

Give the people what they want! They can have minarets when they stop treating their women like $hit ... among other things they need to correct.

Steeples, sheeples.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

Christians have bad guys and tempers too. Hitler is a good example. There is a huge difference though. Other Christians put these bad ones in their place.

Hitler was not a Christian, in fact he despised Christianity and religion in general.

 

[Hawghauler]

Hitler was not a Christian, in fact he despised Christianity and religion in general.

I guess my example wan't perfect

But we can still use it. He led a Christian country, was opposed by many Christians in his own country, and Christians took him out.

 

[iratollah]

Hitler was not a Christian, in fact he despised Christianity and religion in general.

Hitler did not like Christianity and called it an evil creation of the Jews that was intended to prevent Aryans from achieving their place as master race. It was not appropriate under his regime to wish people a merry Christmas as no birthday could be more important than the Fuhrer's. People would say, "Happy Yuletide."

BTW, the Aryans came from India. I'm always amazed at how people were enthralled by the brown-haired brown-eyed Austrian talking about how blond-haired blue-eyed 'Aryans' were the master race and he was their leader.

Back OT. I have mixed feelings about prohibition against building mosques, because do churches and temples soon follow? I have no problem with restricting the behavior of those who would impose Sharia law on their neighbors. I'm also amused that the very most intolerant religion/political system is the first to cry foul at their rights being infringed.

They accuse one country of apartheid, yet they are fervent practitioners when it comes to how badly they treat their women and kaffirs.

 

[TrailDust]

Although it's not as blatant as the Swiss vote, we have religious persecution right here in America with the attack on Christianity. Examples are obvious, and they're legion. More proof that the Democrat party in this country is just a cover name for what they really are: Communists. And the gradual abolishment of religion to be replaced by the new god--the state--is under way here just as it happened in the Soviet Union, China, or North Korea. When a crucifix can be placed in a jar of urine and be hailed as art, while cartoons about Muslims/Mohammed are forbidden as hate speech...something is obviously wrong and it's called persecution of Christians.

 

[okie556]

WTF? How would everybody feel if they'd banned steeples instead?

No different.

Big difference to me but even at that.........they are both just part of a structure.........not as meaningful as say banning crosses on churches.

 

[MadMo44Mag]

Lots of excellent replies in this thread, and I'll only add this. I applaud the Swiss too from the standpoint that they did what they felt is right for them. Obviously, rounding up people like the Nazis is going way too far, but any country/any people should do what they feel is right for them. Giving up your national heritage, your national identity, like the British, Swedish, or Germans have for the sake of appeasing foreigners and/or kissing the butt of political correctness, is an abomination and just plain wrong. The Swiss aren't saying Muslims aren't welcome to visit or even live in their country, just don't build any mosques with minarets there, that's all. By comparison, try building a church in most of the Arabic-speaking world and see what happens.

+1
And to add because all this pisses me off to no end - I am sick and tired of America being bastardized in the name of PC.
Our culture and way of life is being tossed aside to please peoples that would just as well spit on you than have to acknowledge your existence.
I can see where and why the Swiss have taken a stand as many here do. It's their country and they have the right to do what they feel is best. You don't like it well hit the road a running and don't come back!

 

[M. Sage]

I guess my example wan't perfect

But we can still use it. He led a Christian country, was opposed by many Christians in his own country, and Christians took him out.

Actually, he shot himself... as the communists (another typically atheist group) closed the noose.

 

[Hawghauler]

Actually, he shot himself... as the communists (another typically atheist group) closed the noose.

Hitler's regime was taken down by the Allies. Most of the Russians I meet are Christian.

 

[TrailDust]

+1
And to add because all this pisses me off to no end - I am sick and tired of America being bastardized in the name of PC.
Our culture and way of life is being tossed aside to please peoples that would just as well spit on you than have to acknowledge your existence.
I can see where and why the Swiss have taken a stand as many here do. It's their country and they have the right to do what they feel is best. You don't like it well hit the road a running and don't come back!

PC has put ethnic/cultural/religious identity on the proverbial chopping block, not just in America but all over the world.

The only stupid thing about the Swiss action is it's purely symbolic. Muslims will still be allowed to enter Switzerland to live and build mosques, they just can't build them with minarets so as to offend people. But that won't stop radical imams from populating those mosques and poisoning the minds of young Muslims. A more effective policy would be to prevent Muslims from entering the country unless they're there for travel. Like the British stamp your passport, "Please leave to enter within six months." IMO, that is their right as a sovereign country and people, to exclude who they want as long as it's non-violent and as long as foreign visitors are not harassed when visiting as tourists. That is not racism, as some would call it, but instead maintaining national identity.

 

[Texican Scotty]

Don't know what churches y'all go to, but mine and all that I've been in preach "Love thy neighbor". That's what the basic tenet of Jesus' teachings are about. Are their bad apple Christians? Of course. Have Christians done bad things? Absolutely. Can you find Christians who are obviously hypocrites? No question you can.

However, I can't find anything recent where Christians in the name of Jesus Christ or the Virgin Mary who have sawed off the head of a Muslim and posted it on the internet for the world to see. I also can't find any instance where high level Christian leadership (i.e., the Pope or Billy Graham) have called for a jihad/crusade in perhaps a thousand years. Someone point our to me where oh where 13 Christians slaughtered almost three thousand Muslims by flying planes into buildings. I know the argument coming - American bombers over Afghanistan/Iraq so spare me. And oh, this takes me to Fort Hood - find me a Christian who, in the name of Jesus Christ, kills 13 defenseless people.

I have grown so weary of the comparison by saying Christianity and Islam are no different. True most Muslims are not terrorists, but it seems most all terrorists are Muslim. Go figure. Christianity has spread in Africa by the spreading of the Word, NOT by force of arms.

I always knew the Swiss could be bad asses when they wanted to be, they actually have a history where they kicked some serious butt. It is time to take a stand and throw political correctness out the window. No more Christian nice guy...

 

[SIG_Fiend]

One thing most people do not realize is Islam is very different from other religions. It is not just a religion, it is a form of government, form of social society in all it's aspect, form of schooling for children, etc. It is literally every facet of Muslim's lives so it is that much harder to deal with because they literally eat, sleep, and breath Islam. It's nearly impossible to break it down to people that nearly every facet of their entire way of life is complete bullsh*t. It's almost like if someone made a religion out of Socialism/Communism and actually worshiped Karl Marx and killed in his name or something.

 

[DCortez]

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[TrailDust]

I will never consider Islam a religion, it's the world's largest cult, and Mohammed was/is its Jim Jones.

 

[Texican Scotty]

I will never consider Islam a religion, it's the world's largest cult, and Mohammed was/is its Jim Jones.

+1, The fact that they're promised virgins when they blow things up speaks volumes.

 

[TrailDust]

I would implore anyone to read a biography about Mohammed. I've read three (two authored by Muslims), studied and read the Koran, same for the Hadith, and also read numerous volumes and studied Islam. As I've said before I entered those studies as I do all things with an open mind, even believing the common party line of "it's a religion of peace." By the time I had finished I realized it was a cult, and I think if anyone with half a brain did the same they'd come to the same conclusion...you'd have to: If I drop a stone from my hand and it hits the ground, gravity caused that and nothing else is responsible. To that end Islam's formation by Mohammed...IMO...was the creation of a cult to serve his needs. Using the Old Testament as the foundation from which he built his teachings, Islam was bastardized from a cult into a purportedly bona fide religion. Again, that's just my opinion. I will not swallow the P.C. Kool-Aid.