Multiple purchases

[AKM47]

I have never purchased more than one firearm at one time

Is there a fed limit or a certain number that who ever is checking the background will freak out over the multi-purchase

Ex: purchasing 2 or 3 firearms at the same time

 

[Royalecheese]

Texas does not limit the number of firearms you may purchase at one time.

However, I thought there were a few states which did and found the following on Wikipedia:

As of 2012, the District of Columbia, along with three states have one-handgun a month laws; these states are California, Maryland, and New Jersey.[3] New York City also has this law. The District of Columbia's law was struck down by a federal appeals court in 2015.[5]

 

[TexasRedneck]

The largest single purchase I've ever done was for 16 guns. Didn't have any issues, other than writer's cramp...lol

I routinely buy 2-3 at a time.

 

[AKM47]

I'm looking at getting the two handguns, 45 & 9mm and maybe, if I can find one, a PSA AKV 9mm pistol, which is 3 at one time

 

[jrbfishn]

You can put multiple on a single 4473 form. Even use a separate piece of paper if you need to.

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[gll]

According to my local FFL, if you buy more than 1 gun per week, he has to report it to the ATF.

"Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers, or ATF Form 3310.4, is a form prescribed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) for use by firearm dealers holding a Federal Firearms License (FFL) to report when an unlicensed person purchases or acquires two or more handguns at one time or during five consecutive business days.

After a rule promulgated under the Obama administration in the wake of the ATF gunwalking scandal in 2011, FFL holders in states bordering Mexico — Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas — have also been required to report multiple sales of semi-automatic rifles with a caliber greater than .22 that are capable of accepting a detachable magazine on a Form 3310.12."

 

[AKM47]

According to my local FFL, if you buy more than 1 gun per week, he has to report it to the ATF.

"Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers, or ATF Form 3310.4, is a form prescribed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) for use by firearm dealers holding a Federal Firearms License (FFL) to report when an unlicensed person purchases or acquires two or more handguns at one time or during five consecutive business days.

After a rule promulgated under the Obama administration in the wake of the ATF gunwalking scandal in 2011, FFL holders in states bordering Mexico — Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas — have also been required to report multiple sales of semi-automatic rifles with a caliber greater than .22 that are capable of accepting a detachable magazine on a Form 3310.12."

This is what I was worried about

 

[Axxe55]

I was thinking there was an additional form that was filled out if a person bought multiple guns. I have bought up to four guns at one time in the past, but I never saw that Form 3310.

Pulling up the information from the ATF and the internet, it looks like it's a form the FFL dealer fills out, not the customer.

 

[Nightwatch]

Yep...it's only for handguns, and I've had FFL dealers suggest to me to buy one next week so that they don't have to do that paperwork...pure laziness. It's nothing to fear or worry about. Had one filled out on my purchase several times...never heard a word from any of the parties copied, feds or local.

Lest it be all good news, there IS another form 3310.12, that covers multiple sales of certain RIFLES...you can read all about that one by googling ATF 3310.12.

 

[Southpaw]

This is what I was worried about

What exactly are your concerns ?

My biggest concern has always been in finding an FFL who would charge the same for one gun or a few.

 

[Axxe55]

Yep...it's only for handguns, and I've had FFL dealers suggest to me to buy one next week so that they don't have to do that paperwork...pure laziness. It's nothing to fear or worry about. Had one filled out on my purchase several times...never heard a word from any of the parties copied, feds or local.

Lest it be all good news, there IS another form 3310.12, that covers multiple sales of certain RIFLES...you can read all about that one by googling ATF 3310.12.

Form 3310-12 applies to rifles with a removable magazine 22 caliber or larger. If that is correct, and you bought several bolt action rifles, that form wouldn't be filled out? Or that is what I understand it to mean.

 

[Nightwatch]

That's what I read, too. There is a copy of the form dated 2021, but it's a revision...the original form came out here and my history's not too good but wasn't that when the gangs were buying up a lot of rifles and taking them to Mexico, and "some folks" running guns, too? It was all the push back then.

"Sales of Rifles

In 2011, ATF was authorized to enforce multiple firearms sales for certain types of rifles from FFLs in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas.


FFLs in these states must report the following types of rifles:

• Semiautomatic rifles
• Rifles with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223 or 5.56 mm)
• Rifles with the ability to accept detachable magazines".

I didn't compare to see what changes were there in the newer one.

Betcha next it's "...any shotgun not in two shot configuration..." give 'em time!

 

[Axxe55]

That's what I read, too. There is a copy of the form dated 2021, but it's a revision...the original form came out here and my history's not too good but wasn't that when the gangs were buying up a lot of rifles and taking them to Mexico, and "some folks" running guns, too? It was all the push back then.

"Sales of Rifles

In 2011, ATF was authorized to enforce multiple firearms sales for certain types of rifles from FFLs in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas.


FFLs in these states must report the following types of rifles:

• Semiautomatic rifles
• 
  
• Rifles with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223 or 5.56 mm)
• 
  
• Rifles with the ability to accept detachable magazines".

I didn't compare to see what changes were there in the newer one.

Betcha next it's "...any shotgun not in two shot configuration..." give 'em time!

That was what I read. Now where I get lost is, does the sale of multiple rifles have to include all three criteria, or just a combination or one of them?

Many bolt action rifles are now available with detachable magazines, and if you bought them in calibers larger than a 22, you just checked off two of those criteria.

ETA: spelling!

 

[Nightwatch]

Just found this info source which has more details...it's ofishal...let's see...\

Reporting Multiple Firearms Sales | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

The Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968 requires federal firearms licensees (FFLs) to send a report to ATF when there is a sale of multiple firearms to the same purchaser within a certain time period. ATF uses the information gathered from multiple sales transactions to investigate possible firearms...

www.atf.gov

OK it says

"FFLs in these states must report the following types of rifles:

• Semiautomatic rifles
• Rifles with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223 or 5.56 mm)
• Rifles with the ability to accept detachable magazines"

That means if it's one of the listed types, report it...I'd fill out on 10/22s, Model 60s, any multiple sale that was one of those types...but is that what they MEANT to say? I'm looking for more FAQ...on that. I remember it sure riled up some folks ESPECIALLY that they picked on a few states.

 

[m5215]

To avoid a single FLL having to notify the ATF about a multiple firearm sale just have a different FFL handle each firearm transaction. If you have several in your area this is not a problem. From what I understand a lot of people do this to avoid any "extra attention" on the sale.

 

[AKM47]

That's what I read, too. There is a copy of the form dated 2021, but it's a revision...the original form came out here and my history's not too good but wasn't that when the gangs were buying up a lot of rifles and taking them to Mexico, and "some folks" running guns, too? It was all the push back then.

"Sales of Rifles

In 2011, ATF was authorized to enforce multiple firearms sales for certain types of rifles from FFLs in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas.


FFLs in these states must report the following types of rifles:

• Semiautomatic rifles
• Rifles with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223 or 5.56 mm)
• Rifles with the ability to accept detachable magazines".

I didn't compare to see what changes were there in the newer one.

Betcha next it's "...any shotgun not in two shot configuration..." give 'em time!

How about the "Sales of Pistols"

That's what I'm looking at getting

 

[Axxe55]

To avoid a single FLL having to notify the ATF about a multiple firearm sale just have a different FFL handle each firearm transaction. If you have several in your area this is not a problem. From what I understand a lot of people do this to avoid any "extra attention" on the sale.

Honestly, not something I have ever concerned myself with. I don't buy guns to resell them or to traffic them, or use them in criminal acts. So not going to worry about a Form 3310-04, or a 3310-12 being filled out.

 

[Axxe55]

How about the "Sales of Pistols"

That's what I'm looking at getting

According to the ATF, it mentions pistols and revolvers.

 

[Nightwatch]

Here's more detail on the types of rifles...now I remember the "bullet button" being discussed...

https://www.atf.gov/file/61741/download

Q2/A2 seem to say they need ALL those features to need reporting. I never saw this before because I was out of the pawn/FFL stuff the year before they started doing rifles.
Pretty much boils down to the answer-of-the-day and "because we SAY so"...most FFLS I know are scared to argue...don't want to be in the crosshairs...so they make us jump through hoops to pacify them (they hope).

 

[Nightwatch]

gil nailed that in post #6 before we went wanderin' into rifles...a coupla quoted sources also covered handguns and rifles.