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My Eyes Were Opened To the 1911

Discussion in 'Handguns' started by LittleGun, Jul 18, 2008.

  1. LittleGun

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    I went to the range again this evening (Friday). I went to get some more practice on my shooting form, concentrating on the Low Ready position that I was taught. It was good timing. The Shiloh folks said that a Hoffners group was shooting tactical and invited me to stick my nose in and see what was going on. I didn't know anything about Hoffners, but I jumped at the chance to see more advanced tactical work. I strapped on my stock Sig retention holster and went to take a look.

    When I walked into the range area, an instructor was timing a student's draw and fire. He was trying to qualify to be on some elite team. He drew, fired, and hit the target in about .7 seconds. I was amazed. The stopped to introduce themselves to me and show be the rules of a Hot Range. Then they asked if I wanted a try a timing. I felt inadequate in the presence of long experience and superior speed, but I wanted to learn something. The took time to show me proper stance and their style of shooting.

    I practice a few times then took the timing test. I drew, fired, and hit the target in 1.3 seconds. They told me that was pretty good for a new shooter and that I could do even better if I used a different holster. I was so happy. I felt like I had accomplished something. They showed me a different style of the Low Ready stance where the weak hand is placed high on the chest before draw. I practiced coming from the Low Ready stance and firing two times before reaching my breaking point on the draw.

    We spent a while working on things like that. Then they invited me to fire their guns. I got to fire two 1911's. The first was a 10mm. The second was a .45. I don't recall the exact names because I was too excited. I do remember hearing the phrase X5 and Tactical to describe one of the guns. When I fired them, it was a completely different experience than my Sig P239. The recoil was greater, but the trigger was quick and smooth. I liked the quick trigger because I naturally have a light touch. To my surprise, I hammered two consecutive rounds through the same hole. It was a fantastic way to top off an evening of mixing it up with advanced shooters.
     


  2. htxred

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    dangg leeroy, i knew it wouldnt be long before you caught the 1911 bug. the firearm of mine that i let you fire is also a 1911 but its chambered in 9mm. a lot more mild and controllable. hoffner's style is a bit different then our tues/wed night class (farnam style) but im glad you had the chance to exp it since i have yet to be able to join them on a friday. glad you enjoyed it brother.
     
  3. SIG_Fiend

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    1911's truly are great guns. A lot of people give them a bad wrap since the design is nearly 100yrs old. To me, that is a testament as to just how great a platform they are, in that they are STILL around and still gettin 'er done nearly 100yrs later!
     
  4. idleprocess

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    The 1911 strikes me as a decent pistol within the limitations of its aging design. Relative to most newer designs, they are inherently more expensive to produce, have more parts, are less reliable, and require more maintenance. The 1911 does well in pistol competitions, but at the expense of higher maintenance with significant downtime - like track cars vs more pedestrian "daily drivers" that keep on going with little maintenance but offer a less memorable driving experience.

    I've handled and fired all of one 1911 (a mid-range Springfield). While I did better with it than my G21, the experience wasn't the overwhelming near-religious experience it is for some.

    I don't hate the 1911, but I feel that it's severely overrated. Part of it is probably the fact that I associate it with loudmouth fatass jerks at the range. This type of guy proclaims the 1911 and .45ACP to be the pinnacle of firearms development yet can barely stay on a standard silhouette target at twenty feet. They loudly and regularly deride "tupperware blasters" as unreliable junk - practically in the same sentence mentioning the feed problems they keep dealing with and how much money they've been dropping at the 'smith. In the meantime, I've stayed mostly on the paper using an 8" diameter circle target at thirty-plus feet with my "tupperware blaster" that runs flawlessly with zero smith time after thousands of rounds.

    After saying all of that, I still might acquire a 1911 someday... but it will probably never be my "go to" weapon in a SHTF situation and certainly won't be "tuned" such that its reliability decreases.
     
  5. LittleGun

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    Your prophecy came true, htxred. I caught the 1911 bug, but I didn't expect it so early. I remember firing your 1911. It was my first visit to Shiloh. I was so inexperienced, that I couldn't appreciate it. Now, after a whopping 2 2 weeks under my belt (LOL), I am beginning to understand. Emphasize BEGINNING to understand.

    idleprocess, I hear you about loudmouthed braggarts. They come in all models. Maybe those braggarts are trying to convince themselves of something.
     
  6. htxred

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    hey, you're not being fair at all. 1911s have a lot of metal on metal moving parts, so it comes all the way down to how the parts where made and fitted, thus regulating how well they perform. Yes, 1911s require more hands on maintaining for it to run properly, and glock pretty much is the best "out the box" combat weapon, but thats just the way it was designed, to be a gunfighters gun. and i believe the 1911 was designed to be a shooter's gun. not all 1911s are designed to be shot the way glocks are.. but i hear you on those joe blows who dont know what the hell they're talking about. lozl

    not every 1911 out there is going to give you problems, just like not every glock out there is going to run 100%. my STI has well over 4000 rnds through it so far and i bought it in april/may of 08, only problems i have is i have shitty mags :p

    so im short, comes down to the manufacture IMO. i would not buy a kimber these days, i would rather get a springfield. but if my budget allowed it, i'd opt for a STI and or a sig 1911.
     
  7. mac79912

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    Sounds like you caught 1911itis.Shoot two 1911s then call me in the morning.:D
     
  8. Furyataurus

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    IMO, 1911's are alright, their capacity is a big turnoff though, 7 rounds doesn't cut it. I got to play with both a Kimber Desert Warrior and an HK45 at the gun show recently. I'd pick the HK45 over the Kimber everytime, 10 rounds for the HK45 vs 7 for Kimber Desert Warrior. There's just something about holding an HK45 that seems more natural than holding a Kimber. FN also has a 45 out that holds 15 rounds of 45!!!!!! and FN might or is coming out with a threaded barrel for its FNP-45 to put a can on it!!!!!! I was at Blackhawk range the other day for my transition course for semi-auto's and out of the 9 Glocks there, one had a broken extractor and firing pin problems and two others had feeding problems. These Glocks were only a few years old also. My HK has not given me any problems in over 3400 rounds through her so far (knock on wood ). When I do get a 45 it'll probably be the HK45 first then FNP and finally a Kimber, haven't seen any Kimber's with a can on them.....
     
  9. SIG_Fiend

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those guys that thinks the 1911 was God's gift to firearms. Though everyone has to admit, for sticking around for nearly 100yrs, it's pretty impressive. They are or at least can be (depending on the manufacturer) good guns, not the best, but certainly not the worst.

    Many people complain about ammo capacity. That's why there are these:

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    Seriously, I mean Chip Mccormick mags are excellent quality, it doesn't protrude a whole lot from the frame of the gun, and at 10rds they make a 1911 perfectly sufficient in the mag capacity area. 7rds does suck. Whatever 1911 I buy in the future, I plan on having nothing but CMC 10 rounders.

    I haven't shot many 1911s, but the ones I have didn't disappoint me. I wouldn't say they all impressed the heck out of me or anything. However the bone stock Kimber Custom II that Texas1911 had was an excellent gun as far as the whole performance factor goes. It shot like a laser beam, shots were always dead on at POA. Wasn't the be all and end all, but still great guns.

    The FNP-45 has a 2x4 grip just like the G21. I definitely wasn't impressed when I handled one. Para Ordnance makes the P14 double stack 1911 that is a 14 rounder, and those things feel thinner than the FNP-45 from what I can remember.
     
  10. idleprocess

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    That is one of the important factors on the 1911 - they require extensive fitting unlike newer designs that achieve good accuracy and lockup without tolerances too tight for mass production.
     


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