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  • Brains

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    Gimmick or not? Personally, I'll stock with my trusty Hornady Critical Defense.

     

    robertc1024

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    How's that fundamentally different than a black talon? Stupid vid though. I think it might be more persuasive if they showed the results in ballistic gel instead of the spray of fragments from dumping a mag from a full auto pistol.
     

    Das Jared

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    They know its a gimmick, hence the smokescreen show they put on in advertising, and the big fancy words

    sent from Jennifer Lawrence's bedroom
     

    Acera

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    Would like to see some unbiased tests on it.

    It's stuff like this that keeps pushing the envelope of what we know and leading to better products. Not saying that this is a better product, just saying I am glad folks are constantly trying to make a better mousetrap. Who knows, could be the next best thing or just another product like DRT that looks good under specific circumstances and suck under most others.
     

    SIG_Fiend

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    A gimmick guaranteed. With the defensive ammo currently on the market, ammo is as little of an issue as possible compared to a decade ago or two. With the level of durability and reliability as well as the number of good quality gun options on the market nowadays, you basically don't have to worry about the gun either. Anything can fail, but things have progressed substantially in the last 2 or 3 decades. At this point, I would say training and mindset are the vastly more important factors people should be investing their time and energy in, as opposed to looking for the next "magical" bullet. There is no magic bullet that will do exactly what people want, and that can serve as a substitute for a lack of mindset, lack of will, etc.

    Although there is always the possibility for innovation and someone coming along and finding a new, more effective way, I think it's worth considering what has come before to understand how unlikely that might be. TONS of money was spent over the last 3 decades on ballistic R&D, studying ballistic wounding factors, documented case studies of numerous Mil/LE/civilian shootings, the outcomes, and what could be learned from them. There's a whole lot that's already been done. Take even just one example, such as that of the claims of LeMas BMT/RBCD (based in San Antonio) ammo. USARDEC as well as USSOCOM spent something like $1mil on an in depth study of this ammo, because it was being pushed hard as a closed tip bullet with serious ballistic wounding factor advantages. So two commands within the US military spent $1mil, did an in depth study (I believe to the point of metallurgic analysis, bullet cross sections, testing in various ballistic media, live animal testing I believe, etc.). Bottom line, after a $1mil study, they found that the "blended metal technology" bullets were complete bullshit and didn't live up to ANY of their claims. People try way too hard to put too much of a focus on stuff that is meaningless at the end of the day. With the quality of defensive ammo out there now, like Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, Winchester Ranger, etc. just choose one and move on to more important things.
     

    London

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    I'm amused how they try to claim the fact it spins along its axis as unique to the cartridge. It's also funny how they try to claim it saws through barriers like wood, glass, and steel. Yeah- a copper saw blade cutting through steel.

    Basically they are saying you will get PDX-1 .233 results with a 96gr 9MM bullet.

    BS.
     

    ShootingTheBull

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    How's that fundamentally different than a black talon?
    It's different in every possible way. The Black Talon's talons stay attached, so they don't splinter off the way the G2RIP does. Black Talon results in a large fully-expanded hollowpoint with maximum diameter at the deepest part of penetration. The G2RIP's talons shred off, so only a caliber-diameter core base is present at the deepest part of penetration.
     

    ShootingTheBull

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    Would like to see some unbiased tests on it.
    I've asked for some for review.

    It's stuff like this that keeps pushing the envelope of what we know and leading to better products. Not saying that this is a better product, just saying I am glad folks are constantly trying to make a better mousetrap. Who knows, could be the next best thing or just another product like DRT that looks good under specific circumstances and suck under most others.
    See, I agree totally -- while this may or may not be the next leap, I am glad that someone's out there trying to come up with the next leap. And I really like to see that they're working with machined bullets. For more than a century ammo designers have been limited to what can be accomplished by pouring lead into a mold; now with CNC machining they can design bullets that will do things that no poured-lead bullet could ever do. The Lehigh Defense Maximum Expansion is a great example of that; a round that expands to nearly 2" in diameter while still penetrating deeply. It's only possible because the bullet is cut by a machine to perform a certain way.

    The G2RIP is also fully machined and apparently intentionally designed to perform in a way that a poured bullet couldn't. But does it succeed? That's where independent knowledgeable testing should come into play.
     

    London

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    How's that fundamentally different than a black talon?

    The black talon was just a good performing hollowpoint which looked fearsome when expanded. Good for the time, but modern stuff is better. I think you may be under the impression the media gave that "It explodes like a thousand razorblades inside the body," which of course it did not.
     
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