Newbie here with question..

[Trebek]

Howdy all. I'm a 50 year old with no drivers license (by choice) who wants to buy a gun. I've lived abroad for many years and my license expired years ago. I do have a valid passport with a Texas address. I'm looking to buy a shotgun for home protection. Will they sell me a gun w/o a D.L? What about getting my ccl? Thanks Larry

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Welcome to the Forum!.

Sorry, can't answer your question.


ETA: Are you a felon?
Can you legally own a gun to the best of your knowledge?

 

[Trebek]

Thanks and no I'm not a felon. I can legally own a gun. I do own a small pistol.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Well, the fact that you have one doesn't make it legal.....

 

[FireInTheWire]

You could always go the used route....

 

[ZX9RCAM]

You could always go the used route....

Would you sell to somebody who doesn't have a license?

 

[easy rider]

To buy a gun from an FFL in Texas you must have a state issued ID.

Welcome to TGT!

 

[easy rider]

Here is the 4473 for what is needed:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4...n-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

 

[benenglish]

Would you sell to somebody who doesn't have a license?

I would sell to someone with a valid U.S. passport with a Texas address.

ETA - See my next post in this thread.

 

[FireInTheWire]

Would you sell to somebody who doesn't have a license?

I'm not selling ANY of my guns buddy!

 

[easy rider]

I'm not selling ANY of my guns buddy!

I'm not looking to sell, but then it would be hard to turn down a fist full of cash.

 

[benenglish]

Here is the 4473 for what is needed:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4...n-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download

From that document:

The transferee/buyer must provide a valid government-issued photo identification document to the transferor/seller that contains the transferee's/buyer's name, residence address, and date of birth. A driver's license or an identification card issued by a State in place of a license is acceptable.

So a Texas DL is acceptable. Nothing on there says it's mandatory.

I'm looking at my passport right now. It meets all the criteria laid out in the instructions for proper identification EXCEPT it does not have my residence address.

Passport only is a no-go unless the information on a passport has changed in the almost 10 years since my last renewal.

There are instructions for supplemental documentation that may apply.

 

[easy rider]

From that document:
So a Texas DL is acceptable. Nothing on there says it's mandatory.

I'm looking at my passport right now. It meets all the criteria laid out in the instructions for proper identification EXCEPT it does not have my residence address.

Passport only is a no-go unless the information on a passport has changed in the almost 10 years since my last renewal.

There are instructions for supplemental documentation that may apply.

I haven't found an FFL yet that will sell without a state issued ID.

I guess I should have said 'should'. All the FFL's I know require one, mainly to prove state residency.

 

[benenglish]

From the same document:

Licensees may accept a combination of valid government-issued documents to satisfy the identification document requirements of the law. The required valid government-issued photo identification document bearing the name, photograph, and date of birth of transferee/buyer may be supplemented by another valid, government-issued document showing the transferee's/buyer's residence address. This supplemental documentation should be recorded in question 18.b., with the issuing authority and type of identification presented. ... A valid electronic document from a government website may be used as supplemental documentation provided it contains the transferee's/buyer's name and current residence address.

(Example text, confusing in this context, is omitted.)

From that, it looks like a passport could be used to establish name and date of birth but some other document would be needed to establish a residential address. Given the unwillingness of many FFLs to do anything unusual, it might be more difficult to buy with a passport and supplemental documents but it should technically be possible.

Of course, technically it's possible (at least it used to be) to do a 4473 through the mail and have a dealer mail a gun directly to you but how many of us know dealers who are willing to go through that procedure?

 

[easy rider]

From the same document:
(Example text, confusing in this context, is omitted.)

From that, it looks like a passport could be used to establish name and date of birth but some other document would be needed to establish a residential address. Given the unwillingness of many FFLs to do anything unusual, it might be more difficult to buy with a passport and supplemental documents but it should technically be possible.

Of course, technically it's possible (at least it used to be) to do a 4473 through the mail and have a dealer mail a gun directly to you but how many of us know dealers who are willing to go through that procedure?

LOL, good luck.

 

[Byrd666]

Just go down to the D.L. office with necessary paperwork and get a state issued I.D. card. It will cover the bases for your local gun dealer/FFL.

 

[Trebek]

Yeah I might have to go the used route. Not sure which is the best venue to buy used guns locally.?

 

[benenglish]

LOL, good luck.

Yeah, that about sums it up. Byrd666 just posted the obvious solution just upthread.

The most interesting thing about all this is that my address isn't on my passport and the State Department web site is quite clear that a change in residence address doesn't require a new passport. There's no facsimile of a passport book that I can find on their site but the picture of a passport card clearly shows it does not have a residence address on it.

Yet the OP says he has a passport with his address on it? Something doesn't compute, here.

Hey, Trebek, could you please have a look at your passport and confirm for us that it actually has a residential address on it? And is the cover blue?

 

[Byrd666]

Yeah I might have to go the used route. Not sure which is the best venue to buy used guns locally.?

Probably the gun show out in Mesquite. I haven't lived up that way in quite a while so, I'm really just guessing. I'm sure others that live more local know better than me.

 

[easy rider]

Yeah, that about sums it up. Byrd666 just posted the obvious solution just upthread.

The most interesting thing about all this is that my address isn't on my passport and the State Department web site is quite clear that a change in residence address doesn't require a new passport. There's no facsimile of a passport book that I can find on their site but the picture of a passport card clearly shows it does not have a residence address on it.

Yet the OP says he has a passport with his address on it? Something doesn't compute, here.

Hey, Trebek, could you please have a look at your passport and confirm for us that it actually has a residential address on it? And is the cover blue?

I believe to get a DL you also need other documents to prove state residency with a passport. A passport can be issued to noncitizens that are in the US legally.