Next AWB - Assault Weapons Ban

[TJ Willy]

I was living in Commiefornia when the 94 AWB was signed into law all my
favorites became safe queens ,then in the fall of 99 IIRC California expanded
the AWB that you had until Jan of 2000 to register your AR's ,Bushmaster's ect with the DOJ and that anybody who didn't and was caught with an unregistered AW was going to be incarcerated .If you had filled out the 4473 yellow form it was a papertrail back to you. I moved all my ''contraband'' to a undisclosed location outside Commiefornia.

So rather than register, you sent your toys out of state. Quite the conundrum.

Keep your guns close but with yellow paper and the chance someone is going to come get them...

or..

Send your guns far away so you can't access them if need be but you know you get to keep them.

This maybe a question we have to ask ourselves in the near future.

 

[tussery]

I've got some bad news. McCain has supported bans on certain Assault Weapons in the past. I think we are going to see a AWB bill signed if it makes it to the Presidents desk no matter who wins.

 

[sharky47]

^^^
Good point, and remember - Mcsame is a member of the CFR - they are not a fan of armed free men/women.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

^^^
Mcsame is a member of the CFR

Holy crap, I wasn't aware of that. That's reason enough not to vote for him (I wasn't anyways).

 

[TJ Willy]

good points above....

 

[Major Woody]

Boy, I sure miss Ron Paul.

 

[ducksps]

no winners this time

neither main stream candidate has a good gun record. I'm voting for Baldwin as his platform is solid on gun rights.

The lesser of two evils is ________.

 

[SIG_Fiend]

neither main stream candidate has a good gun record. I'm voting for Baldwin as his platform is solid on gun rights.

The lesser of two evils is ________.

Excellent choice! I actually only just found out about Chuck a few weeks ago, which is disappointing as I can't believe I haven't heard of such a great candidate sooner! I'd vote for Ron Paul as well, though in my mind him and Chuck are kind of tied as they are both excellent IMO. This vid says it ALL about Chuck:

YouTube - Chuck Baldwin on 2nd Amendment Rights

Any politician that can maintain that tight of a grouping with a handgun (good old 1911 at that!) DESERVES to be commander in chief!

 

[sharky47]

Eh, Baldwin is almost a decent guy. Unfortunatly he is one of those idiots that believes there is any merit to the war on (some) drugs and would continue the american prohibition v2.0

EDIT - Also, he is in favor of corporate protectionism via tariffs. Remember, this line of thinking led to the GCA '68 when some american arms companies started bitching about actually having to compete in the market place against "cheap imports".......

 

[SIG_Fiend]

Eh, Baldwin is almost a decent guy. Unfortunatly he is one of those idiots that believes there is any merit to the war on (some) drugs and would continue the american prohibition v2.0

EDIT - Also, he is in favor of corporate protectionism via tariffs. Remember, this line of thinking led to the GCA '68 when some american arms companies started bitching about actually having to compete in the market place against "cheap imports".......

Okay, Ron Paul it is then. Seriously though, if that's all that Baldwin has some inferior views on certain situations, it's still a heck of a lot better than choosing bad or worse in the form of Mccain or Obama.

 

[ducksps]

Ron Paul endorses Baldwin

Ron Paul Endorses Baldwin in the last paragraph.

Campaign For Liberty — Blog

A New Alliance - By Dr. Ron Paul

Posted by Jesse Benton on 09/22/08 8:22 PM
Last updated 09/22/08 4:28 PM

Friends - please read this new and important piece by Dr. Paul.

The press conference at the National Press Club had a precise purpose. It was to expose, to as many people as possible, the gross deception of our presidential election process. It is controlled by the powerful elite to make sure that neither candidate of the two major parties will challenge the status quo. There is no real choice between the two major parties and their nominees, only the rhetoric varies. The amazingly long campaign is designed to make sure the real issues are ignored. The quotes I used at the press conference from insider Carroll Quigley and the League of Women voters strongly support this contention.

Calling together candidates from the liberal, conservative, libertarian and progressive constituencies, who are all opposed to this rigged process, was designed to alert the American people to the uselessness of continuing to support a process that a claims that one’s only choice is to choose the lesser of two evils and reject a principle vote that might challenge the status quo as a wasted vote.

In both political education and organization, coalitions are worthwhile and necessary to have an impact. “Talking to the choir” alone achieves little. I have always approached political and economic education with a “missionary” zeal by inviting any group in on issues we agree upon.

This opens the door to legitimate discourse with the hope of winning new converts to the cause of liberty. This strategy led to the press conference with the four candidates agreeing to the four principles we believe are crucial in challenging the political system that has evolved over many years in this country.

This unique press conference, despite the surprising, late complication from the Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate, hopefully will prove to be historically significant.

This does not mean that I expect to get Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney to become libertarians, nor do they expect me to change my mind on the issues on which we disagree. In the meantime, why can’t we be friends, respectful of each other, and fight the corrupt process from which we suffer, and at the same time champion the four issues that we all agree upon which the two major candidates won’t address?

Many practical benefits can come from this unique alliance. Our cause is liberty —freedom is popular and is the banner that brings people together. Since authoritarianism divides, we always have the edge in an intellectual fight. Once it’s realized that the humanitarian goals of peace and prosperity are best achieved with our views, I’m convinced we win by working with others. Those who don’t want to collaborate are insecure with their own beliefs.

In the past two years at the many rallies where I talked and shook hands with literally thousands of people, I frequently asked them what brought them to our campaign. There were many answers: the Constitution, my consistency, views on the Federal Reserve, the war, and civil liberties. The crowds were overwhelmingly made up of young people.

Oftentimes I welcomed the diverse groups that came, mentioning that the crowd was made up of Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Liberals and Progressives with each group applauding. Even jokingly, I recognized the “anarchists” and that, too, was met with some applause. In conversations, many admitted to having been Democrats and members of the Green Party and supporters of Ralph Nader, yet they came to agree with us on all the issues once the entire philosophy was understood. That’s progress.

Principled people are not shy in participating with others and will defend their beliefs on their merits. Liberals and progressives are willing to align themselves with us on the key issues of peace, civil liberties, debt and the Federal Reserve. That’s exciting and very encouraging, and it means we are making progress. The big challenge, however, is taking on the establishment, and the process that is so well entrenched. But we can’t beat the entrenched elite without the alliance of all those who have been disenfranchised.

Ironically the most difficult group to recruit has been the evangelicals who supported McCain and his pro-war positions. They have been convinced that they are obligated to initiate preventive war in the Middle East for theological reasons. Fortunately, this is a minority of the Christian community, but our doors remain open to all despite this type of challenge. The point is, new devotees to the freedom philosophy are more likely to come from the left than from those conservatives who have been convinced that God has instructed us to militarize the Middle East.

Although we were on the receiving end of ridicule in the reporting of the press conference, I personally was quite satisfied with the results. True revolutions are not won in a week, a month, or even a year. They take time. But we are making progress, and the momentum remains and is picking up. The Campaign for Liberty is alive and well, and its growth and influence will continue. Obviously the press conference could have been even more successful without the last-minute change of heart by the Libertarian Party candidate by not participating. He stated that his support for the four points remains firm. His real reason for not coming, nor letting me know until forty minutes before the press conference started, is unknown to me. To say the least, I was shocked and disappointed.

Yet in the long run, this last-minute change in plans will prove to be of little importance. I’m convinced that problems like this always seem bigger at the moment, yet things usually work out in the end. Recovering from the mistakes and shortcomings of all that we do in this effort is not difficult if the message is right and our efforts are determined. And I’m convinced they are. That’s what will determine our long-term success, not the shortcomings of any one person.

The Libertarian Party Candidate admonished me for “remaining neutral” in the presidential race and not stating whom I will vote for in November. It’s true; I have done exactly that due to my respect and friendship and support from both the Constitution and Libertarian Party members. I remain a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party and I’m a ten-term Republican Congressman. It is not against the law to participate in more then one political party. Chuck Baldwin has been a friend and was an active supporter in the presidential campaign.

I continue to wish the Libertarian and Constitution Parties well. The more votes they get, the better. I have attended Libertarian Party conventions frequently over the years.

In some states, one can be on the ballots of two parties, as they can in New York. This is good and attacks the monopoly control of politics by Republicans and Democrats. We need more states to permit this option. This will be a good project for the Campaign for Liberty, along with the alliance we are building to change the process.

I’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate.

 

[sharky47]

Whatever you have to tell yourself to make you feel good dude. "Certain situations" does not adequately describe the land mass known as the U.S. having more people in prison than CHINA. Most of those people are in there for various consentual "crimes" where there is no identifiable victim that has suffered a measurable loss to person or property. We're talking drugs/prostitution/NFA/etc.....anyone who supports those things presents a clear and present danger to you and me and everyone else.

Evil is evil, I'm not going to put my name on it.......Ron Paul is not a presidential option, although at this point personally it's a toss-up between writing in Mickey Mouse or Ron Paul.

 

[chevydeerhunter]

So rather than register, you sent your toys out of state. Quite the conundrum.

Keep your guns close but with yellow paper and the chance someone is going to come get them...

or..

Send your guns far away so you can't access them if need be but you know you get to keep them.

This maybe a question we have to ask ourselves in the near future.

Just bury them in the back yard.

 

[bertel]

For the arms mentioned, does anyone know/wanna speculate how the prices are going to go (if that other guy wins the White House)?
High after the election, then cool off before the AWB reintroduction at the aforementioned 01.20.09 date, then skyrocket afterward?

 

[Sancman]

Hate to say it but;

BOHICA!


I just brought 2 AR15 Lowers......and will buy a few more goodies before it gets crazy if I can.

 

[bertel]

BOHICA......? Is that referring to the prices, the legislation, or both? I can only imagine it's both...............sigh

 

[bertel]

I just went to Academy. Their prices seem to be reasonable. I figure their corporate prices are less likely to fluctuate during political chaos.

 

[razor]

This would really suck . I would hate to be in america if this passes!!!

 

[jmsfmtex]

Sponsors/Co-Sponsors

If you notice the originator and co-sponsors to this bill are all Republicans. I would have believed that they would be the first ones out to Ban our civil rights. Who do you turn to when they are all the same? And the Republican party wonders why they are loosing people. Get back to the Constitution, God, Country and the Family.

 

[razor]

Amen Brother !!!!!! . The world is screwd up these days!I would'nt worry if the republicans had'nt voted it in.