no shell enclosed for md & ny

[DCortez]

Looking at the old cases, I saw a sticker saying "No shell enclosed for MD & NY". Is this a choking hazard in those states? Seems "Not a Toy" sticker would have worked better.

Anyone know the story behind this?

 

[txinvestigator]

I am a bit behind on the history, but MD and NY used to require that fired casings be included with all handguns sold new. The sticker you saw, I suppose, was so wholesalers would not ship to those states.

I wrote "used to" because I think MD rescinded their law, but I am not sure.

 

[Big country]

Don't new guns all come with one fired case now days? The sigma my cousin just bought had one in it, I think the Glock that another guy bought had it as well. Is this not a requirement?

 

[DCortez]

I think the S&W's I have came with a casing and Kimbers did not. Sticker was on a Kimber case, the S&W cases do not have the sticker.

 

[jay524288]

Maryland (I don't know about New York) wanted a fired case from every new gun sold in that state. They then put the ballistics info from that case in their ballistics database.

I think they just stopped doing this.

So, if you bought a gun in MD, you wouldn't get the fired case. It would go to the state police.

Wikipedia has some info: Ballistic fingerprinting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[txinvestigator]

Don't new guns all come with one fired case now days? The sigma my cousin just bought had one in it, I think the Glock that another guy bought had it as well. Is this not a requirement?

Required by whom?

 

[DCortez]

Kinda slipped my mind ... Kimber is in Yonkers, NY.

 

[Big country]

Required by whom?

Sorry I forgot to add that part. The Law Either state or federal I'm assuming the State Of Texas.

 

[txinvestigator]

Texas does not require a shell enclosed. New York requires one and I know MD used to. Don't know if they still do. The sticker on the handgun case signifies that a case is not enclosed, so don't sell them in those states.

 

[Big country]

Thanks.

 

[jay524288]

Texas does not require a shell enclosed. New York requires one and I know MD used to. Don't know if they still do. The sticker on the handgun case signifies that a case is not enclosed, so don't sell them in those states.

I don't think that's quite right. I don't think it has anything to do with whether the gun can be sold in a particular state.

All the guns are shipped from the factory with the fired case, but in NY and MD, the case is removed before the buyer receives the gun. In those states, the case is sent to the police or whoever is responsible for their ballistic database.

I think the sticker is there to let consumers in those states know that they aren't getting the case. Kind of like the "this page is intentionally left blank" page in various manuals.

 

[txinvestigator]

I don't think that's quite right. I don't think it has anything to do with whether the gun can be sold in a particular state.

All the guns are shipped from the factory with the fired case, but in NY and MD, the case is removed before the buyer receives the gun. In those states, the case is sent to the police or whoever is responsible for their ballistic database.

I think the sticker is there to let consumers in those states know that they aren't getting the case. Kind of like the "this page is intentionally left blank" page in various manuals.

I do believe you are right.

 

[Big country]

So that is why the the empty is still in the box in Texas

 

[Texas Solo]

I am a bit behind on the history, but MD and NY used to require that fired casings be included with all handguns sold new. The sticker you saw, I suppose, was so wholesalers would not ship to those states.

I wrote "used to" because I think MD rescinded their law, but I am not sure.

Md. did indeed dump the "ballistics profile" program. The bean counters realized that after a 5 (?) year program, not a single crime was ever solved
through it's use. The cost of establishing and maintaining the program was close to 1 million a year.

 

[Army 1911]

So that is why the the empty is still in the box in Texas

Texas does not require one but some manufacturers include one with each gun just to standardize their procedures and to insure that none of their weapons reach states that require a case without one.

Some makers like Kimber, choose to include cases only with weapons going to states that require them. Even though they test fire each pistol, they only have to track the cases for the ones going to case required state.

These are state laws not federal. YET.

 

[usmcpmi]

Wow. Another stupid law on the books. "Ballistics Profile Program"? I guess I will need some polishing compound and a dremel tool to "modify" the chamber and bolt face of my weapons just in case "big brother" thinks he wants to track fired cases. And we wonder why this country is so far in debt.... MG

 

[M. Sage]

Wow. Another stupid law on the books. "Ballistics Profile Program"? I guess I will need some polishing compound and a dremel tool to "modify" the chamber and bolt face of my weapons just in case "big brother" thinks he wants to track fired cases. And we wonder why this country is so far in debt.... MG

All you have to do is shoot it a lot. Or shoot it and not clean it. Or do nothing, since this stuff is notoriously unreliable.

 

[Texas42]

Wow. Another stupid law on the books. "Ballistics Profile Program"? I guess I will need some polishing compound and a dremel tool to "modify" the chamber and bolt face of my weapons just in case "big brother" thinks he wants to track fired cases. And we wonder why this country is so far in debt.... MG

Or more insidious. Pick up a bunch of bass at the range and leave it the scene of the crime.

Seems like a great way to get the police on the wrong trail by an intelligent bad guy.

 

[DCortez]

Or more insidious. Pick up a bunch of bass at the range and leave it the scene of the crime.

Seems like a great way to get the police on the wrong trail by an intelligent bad guy.

I would add ... with gloves


j/k, I wouldn't jack with the cops trying to get a turd off the street

 

[txinvestigator]

Uhh, this isn't done in Texas.

And why would anyone here advocate methods for crminals to get away with crime? (even though some of those methods are silly at best)