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  • TxShooter

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    The presidential primary season is finally over, and it is now time for gun owners to take a careful look at just where nominee Barack Obama stands on issues related to the Second Amendment. During the primaries, Obama tried to hide behind vague statements of support for “sportsmen”
    or unfounded claims of general support for the right to keep and bear arms.
    But his real record, based on votes taken, political associations, and long standing positions, shows that Barack Obama is a serious threat to Second Amendment liberties. Don’t listen to his campaign rhetoric! Look instead to what he has said and done during his entire political career.
    FACT: Barack Obama opposes four of the five Supreme Court justices who affirmed an individual right to keep and bear arms. He voted against the confirmation of Alito and Roberts and he has stated he would not have appointed Thomas or Scalia.17
    FACT: Barack Obama voted for an Illinois State Senate bill to ban and confiscate “assault weapons,” but the bill was so poorly crafted, it would have also banned most semi-auto and single and double barrel shotguns commonly used by sportsmen.18
    FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1
    FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.15
    FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3
    FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9
    FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2
    FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4
    FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5
    FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6
    FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.
    FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7
    FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and
    “research.”8
    FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in
    America.9
    FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10
    FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11
    FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12
    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13
    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2
    FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14
    FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month handgun purchase
    restrictions.16
    FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9
    FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9
    FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of
    21.9

    1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 29, 2005. ( http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm
    .cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219
    <
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cf
    m.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219> )
    2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,”
    Politico, March 31, 2008. (
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html
    <http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html> )
    3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 29, 2005. (
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm
    .cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217
    <
    http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cf
    m.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217> )
    4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog,
    http://blogs.abcnews.com <http://blogs.abcnews.com/> , 2/15/08. ( http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html
    <http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html>
    )
    5. Illinois Senate, SB 2165, March 25, 2004, vote 20 and May 25, 2004, vote 3.
    6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (
    http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_ob
    amas_c.php
    <
    http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_o
    bamas_c.php> )
    7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,”
    Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (
    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html
    <http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html> )
    8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7.
    9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (
    http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml
    <http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml> )
    10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.
    11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.
    12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (
    http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html
    <http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html> )
    13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (
    http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on
    _shoot.html
    <
    http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_o
    n_shoot.html> )
    14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (
    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement
    <http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcemen
    t> .)
    15. Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes (
    http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm
    <http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm> and http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm
    <http://www.ontheissues.org/IL_2004_Senate_3rd.htm> ) Oct 21, 2004.
    16. Illinois Senate, May 16, 2003, HB 2579, vote 34.
    17. United States Senate vote 245, September 29, 2005 and vote 2, January 31, 2006 and Saddleback Forum, August 16, 2008.
    18. Illinois Senate Judiciary Committee, March 13, 2003. To see the vote tally go to:
    http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf
    <http://www.nrapvf.org/Media/pdf/sb1195_obama.pdf> .

    http://www.nraila.org/obama/ <http://www.nraila.org/obama/>
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    Saxet

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    These facts show that every owner of a firearm should seriously consider whether or not they truly believe that we will be able to keep the Constitution as it is written or will the new soon to appointed Supreme Court judges re-write it.
     

    JKTex

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    I can't see how anyone can put any meat on anything written that includes support references that is so badly out of format nothing can be matched.

    It appears to be similar to the Obama for Sportsman (I think it's called) chart with the nice neat chart complete with references that mostly proves the snippet that they posted was way out of context or just plan manipulated. It was campaign propaganda for the weak minded that wouldn't actually read it for themselves.

    Not saying that's what this is, but it's too whacked out to tell what is fact that has nothing to do with anything in "this" context, and what is fact that matters in context.

    Besides, do you think Obama doesn't have much more important things to focus on right now?
     

    Shorts

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    I can't see how anyone can put any meat on anything written that includes support references that is so badly out of format nothing can be matched.

    It appears to be similar to the Obama for Sportsman (I think it's called) chart with the nice neat chart complete with references that mostly proves the snippet that they posted was way out of context or just plan manipulated. It was campaign propaganda for the weak minded that wouldn't actually read it for themselves.

    Not saying that's what this is, but it's too whacked out to tell what is fact that has nothing to do with anything in "this" context, and what is fact that matters in context.

    Besides, do you think Obama doesn't have much more important things to focus on right now?



    This was actually posted up before the election on many forums from the website: Gun Ban Barack Obama It listed under "Meet Barak" titled 'Get the Facts'


    You're right about the formatting though. When you try to copy and paste a post to a variety of boards with a variety of formatting updates, things get jumbled up.
     

    TxPhantom

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    The fact is, we will soon have a President, Senate and Congress controlled by liberal gun grabbers. Thank's, in part, to some delusional gun owners who voted for The Messiah. Our new socialist government will take time in the next four years to attempt to get rid of our 1st and 2nd Amendement rights. Liberals, like all socialist/communist, never waver in their ongoing fight against capitolism and our Constitution. They will appoint Supreme Court and Federal Judges to do their dirty work. These judges will be in office for a very long time! What we don't know is, how much damage will they do? Time will tell!
    Here comes da liberal judges! :(
     

    BeNotAfraid

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    ..could not have said it better myself, Phantom!

    I am well into my 60's and lemme tell ya:

    I have not seen the likes of this Media Propaganada Campaign and "Cult of Personality" since Hitler, Stalin, Mao...and they killed millions of their own people!

    the people who voted for Hussein got a death wish.
     
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