One of the worst decision ever made having trans compete against woman

[kyletxria1911a1]

 

[jordanmills]

This is sort of a repost, but, anyway...



I'm not worried about pedophilia catching on.

Even people who don't know right from wrong in most ways will, perhaps for reasons they can't even articulate, kill you if they catch you f*ing their pre-pubescent child.

Besides, history tells us that efforts to normalize pedophilia are doomed to fail. There was a huge push to accomplish that in the late 1960s and most of the 1970s, around the time that the gay folk acted up and got homosexuality removed as a disorder from the DSM. The pedos tried to ride that wave with the gays. The gay folks wanted nothing to do with them.

Still, they tried. There was a pervasive attempt by the artistic (which almost always means leftist) movers and shakers to get underage sexually-themed art into everything.

There were many movies made with underage characters in sexual roles. "Art house" films frequently used any excuse to show a bunch of naked little kids, sometimes engaged in overt sexual activity because, after all, at the time child pornography was (arguably, but realistically) legal. Even mainstream movies referenced child sexuality in a casual, accepting way; remember that line in "The Amityville Horror" where the teenage girl knows the exact location of the hotel they evacuate to because she's been there so many times in the past with boys?

In print, nudist camp-themed magazines, which had been around for a long time, started to spend much more of their pages showing children. Photography magazines commonly did articles about how to light boudoir photos using 12-year-old models. One of my favorite photo magazines put a nude 10-year-old model on the cover. The Virgin Killer album came out and the cover art was considered "edgy" but nobody went nuts about it.

There are just too many examples to cite. Child sexuality was everywhere back then and the pedos were full of hope.

And then it all came crashing down on them. The "ick factor" eventually punched through to our collective conscious mind. By the late 1980s child porn had been made illegal, arthouse and mainstream movies with little kids pretending to have sex were marginalized almost out of existence, and pedos who got caught were no longer let go with a slap on the wrist. You referenced "their groups" and, yes, they still theoretically exist but just barely and not in any effective numbers. NAMBLA hasn't had more than a handful of members for decades; the Rene Guyon society is (I think) completely moribund.

Has any screen adaptation of the Stephen King's "It" shown the protagonist boys ultimately saving themselves by running a train on an 11-year-old girl, as in the novel? Nope. That shit no longer passes for acceptable.

Hell, even Texas strip clubs are now statutorily prohibited from employing anyone under 21 and most of us are certainly old enough to remember when those clubs were happy to feature 17-year-old dancers.

Overall, our society is way, way more prudish than it was back in the day.

My point?

"When pedophilia catches on" is never going to happen. They actually had a good shot at making it catch on 40-50 years ago and they tried their best with lots of support from various media power structures. Nevertheless, they failed.

In this age of the internet, where their efforts can be so readily exposed to folks who have their heads on straight, I don't think they have a prayer of "coming out" successfully.

If I'm wrong, I doubt I'll be alive to see it.

I'm not sure I agree. Sure there was a push for it in the sixties, and that failed and backed off. But the marxists have started a new push on several fronts beginning much younger. If expectation of the behavior can be normalized in children, before it is acted on by many adults in society at large, it's likely that society will change when they're adults and see nothing abnormal about it.

You can see the beginnings of this in public schools. Well, not even the beginnings, since it's been going on for some time. https://lidblog.com/642-things-to-write-about/ There's plenty more along those lines if you want them.

Normalization of sexual fetish exposure to children is in full swing. Look no further than "drag queen story hour" (https://www.dragqueenstoryhour.org/) if you have any doubts. They feature perverts in dresses worn Scot-style flashing children (apologies to any Scots offended by the unfortunate association) (https://summit.news/2019/10/30/drag-queen-flashes-children-during-story-hour/). And they sure don't bother to vet these sex workers before setting them on crowds of children. A couple of years ago, one of the performers turned out to be a convicted child molester https://abc13.com/houston-public-li...eader-charged-with-child-sex-assault/5197176/ (and I'm not talking about a romeo and juliet situation - this is a twenty-something year old man busted engaging in coerced mutual oral sex with an eight year old boy https://law.justia.com/cases/texas/fourteenth-court-of-appeals/2010/87641.html). That wasn't in some leftist hellhole like portland or boston, it was in Houston, Texas.

There is a huge push for acceptance of "minor-attracted persons". It's all over user descriptions on twitter now. It's basically a dogwhistle to publicly advertise common interest and activity without publicly admitting to illegal activity, and associated with campaigns to "educate" people that it's just an orientation they can indulge in and celebrate, and not something they act on. https://aboutpedophilia.com/2020/04/26/pride-for-minor-attracted-people/ https://dailycaller.com/2018/07/09/pedophiles-lgbt-community/ https://mapsandalliesnetwork.wordpress.com/ https://secure.boychat.org/messages/1577854.htm (note that there is a LOT of conflicting information out there).

I think you may see a much stronger push for acceptance of MAPs in the near future, and it will probably go a lot further and faster than you expect.

 

[benenglish]

I'm not sure I agree.

There will be different viewpoints, of course. You may well be right.

I think people who openly identify as MAPs are laughable, with their little graphic symbol they use to identify themselves online and their insistence that the word "pedosexual" is just as valid as "homosexual" and "heterosexual". No one who matters takes that seriously.

I think you have a point when we start looking at the educational system. If anyone wants in-depth discussion, I can do another wall of text. But to oversimplify for brevity in this post, I note that some of the curricula out there are designed to expose little kids to adult subjects in a way that will, at best, confuse them and, at worst, seriously warp their minds and their adult sexuality. While I think Drag Queen Story Hour is a sideshow, the fact that there are teachers actively seeking ways to expose little kids to kink does worry me. (I can't find it at the moment but there was a kindergarten teacher recently who posted a question online about how best to avoid parental scrutiny so she could expose her students to kink. References, links, corrections welcome, btw.)

There's a distinct sub-set of teachers who are seriously hurting children.

I don't know how widespread the problem is. But even if it's rare, it will come back to bite us in the coming years.

While I don't think that will translate into a general (or even nominal) acceptance of pedophilia, I can't fault someone if they reach the opposite conclusion. Predicting the future is hard. Past experience tells me that the child porn that was once openly displayed in adult bookstores will never return to being openly and legally sold. I could be wrong.

I choose to look back on history as a guide. While I suppose it doesn't always repeat itself I still think that's the way to bet.

 

[Axxe55]

Quick question @benenglish and @jordanmills . Aren't there other countries and cultures that child pornography and pedophilia are quite open and acceptable?

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

Quick question @benenglish and @jordanmills . Aren't there other countries and cultures that child pornography and pedophilia are quite open and acceptable?

And they should be nuked till they glow

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

Quick question @benenglish and @jordanmills . Aren't there other countries and cultures that child pornography and pedophilia are quite open and acceptable?

Hence one night in Bangkok

 

[benenglish]

Aren't there other countries and cultures that child pornography and pedophilia are quite open and acceptable?

It would take a book to answer that question fully.

The short answer is:

• In the present day, more or less yes, and
• Across history, absolutely.

 

[jordanmills]

Quick question @benenglish and @jordanmills . Aren't there other countries and cultures that child pornography and pedophilia are quite open and acceptable?

Yes. I think a lot of it necessarily varies with standards of the society and demands of daily life too.

 

[Axxe55]

It would take a book to answer that question fully.

The short answer is:

• In the present day, more or less yes, and
• Across history, absolutely.

In a historical perspective, I knew it existed for centuries, if not for thousands of years. Some comes from cultures that have practiced such behavior and still currently do.

My main focus of questioning was more of the say the last fifty years or so. Minors are, and have been kidnapped and sold into slavery as sex slaves. Many are even imported into other countries.

 

[toddnjoyce]

Quick question @benenglish and @jordanmills . Aren't there other countries and cultures that child pornography and pedophilia are quite open and acceptable?

Pashtuns*, over the past 20 years or so have drifted towards normalizing bacha bazi with a phrase that roughly translates to “women are for reproduction, boys are for pleasure”.

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The source HTT-6 report from 2009 is available here.

Afghanistan Human Terrain Team Pashtun Homosexuality Report | Public Intelligence

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The Taliban, who are the de facto religious leaders of the Pashtuns cracked down on this before; it’ll be interesting to see what they do this time around.

*ethnic Pashtuns cover the green shaded area in the map below.

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[Axxe55]

Just so there is no misunderstanding, my questions are purely academic and trying to understand the reasoning and logic behind why anyone would want to push those boundaries.

Minor children have very little understanding of such things. For that matter even some adults have problems understanding such complex things!

IMO, also age is an arbitrary number anyways. I have heard the justification of some saying, "Well my granny got married at 14 and had a passel of kids by the time she was 18 years old."

That doesn't justify it IMO. Fifty, sixty, seventy, and eighty years ago, a girl of 14 was probably vastly superior in maturity to even women in their twenties in current times. In WW1 and WW2, there were young men that were 15 to 17 years old going to war, fighting and dying in battle. I just don't see that same behavior with the same group of youngsters of current times.

 

[jordanmills]

There will be different viewpoints, of course. You may well be right.

I think people who openly identify as MAPs are laughable, with their little graphic symbol they use to identify themselves online and their insistence that the word "pedosexual" is just as valid as "homosexual" and "heterosexual". No one who matters takes that seriously.

I think you have a point when we start looking at the educational system. If anyone wants in-depth discussion, I can do another wall of text. But to oversimplify for brevity in this post, I note that some of the curricula out there are designed to expose little kids to adult subjects in a way that will, at best, confuse them and, at worst, seriously warp their minds and their adult sexuality. While I think Drag Queen Story Hour is a sideshow, the fact that there are teachers actively seeking ways to expose little kids to kink does worry me. (I can't find it at the moment but there was a kindergarten teacher recently who posted a question online about how best to avoid parental scrutiny so she could expose her students to kink. References, links, corrections welcome, btw.)

There's a distinct sub-set of teachers who are seriously hurting children.

I don't know how widespread the problem is. But even if it's rare, it will come back to bite us in the coming years.

While I don't think that will translate into a general (or even nominal) acceptance of pedophilia, I can't fault someone if they reach the opposite conclusion. Predicting the future is hard. Past experience tells me that the child porn that was once openly displayed in adult bookstores will never return to being openly and legally sold. I could be wrong.

I choose to look back on history as a guide. While I suppose it doesn't always repeat itself I still think that's the way to bet.

We completely agree that there are going to be different viewpoints, and they may or may not be right. My presentation may be that it is a sure thing, but it certainly is not sure unless and until it comes to pass.

I am also basing my prediction on repetition of the past. But I think they have learned from previous attempts and are just making a new turn of the cycle with more refinements.

I'd like to think you're right about child porn never being displayed in book stores again, but I think a couple of generations of people programmed to accept display and use of childhood sexuality from a young age has a good chance of changing that standard.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

I couldn't get my head around someone molested my babies.
That being said come on people.
Women can't compete with men period.
Case in point. I weigh 220. My step daughter weighing in a 255 plus.
We got into it about 3wks ago.
I'm talking about a physical altercation. She ran up on me titties in my chest and told me she would give me the first punch. (But it better be the best punch of my life because she was gonna kick my ass) now what do you think would have happened if I took her up on her offer?
At this time I was thinking I'm gonna hit her in the throat and bounce her off everything I could find.
That day if it wasn't for the love of momma I would have done my best to kill her.

So now please explain to me how men get to compete as women

 

[Axxe55]

I couldn't get my head around someone molested my babies.
That being said come on people.
Women can't compete with men period.
Case in point. I weigh 220. My step daughter weighing in a 255 plus.
We got into it about 3wks ago.
I'm talking about a physical altercation. She ran up on me titties in my chest and told me she would give me the first punch. (But it better be the best punch of my life because she was gonna kick my ass) now what do you think would have happened if I took her up on her offer?
At this time I was thinking I'm gonna hit her in the throat and bounce her off everything I could find.
That day if it wasn't for the love of momma I would have done my best to kill her.

So now please explain to me how men get to compete as women

Back when I was married to ex-wife #2, I had step-daughter, that I swear was the spawn of Satan himself!

I could tell stories about her that would scare most grown men! One of her ex-boyfriends, is currently serving life without parole for murder, attempted murder and armed robbery! Another one was a known gang member.

 

[benenglish]

Minors are, and have been kidnapped and sold into slavery as sex slaves. Many are even imported into other countries.

If you have enough money, you can buy child sex slaves. Don't ask me how I know this. Seriously. I'd like to forget that part of my life.

But hasn't this thread drifted a bit too far from the whole question of trans folk competing in sports?

That being said come on people.
Women can't compete with men period.

Thanks for going back to the OP subject.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

Some here haven't been here long enough to know our history and say to themselves damn dawg how can I say that.
But I believe some people have never been in a quick violent situation.
Best believe if someone tells you that you better take them seriously.

 

[jordanmills]

Just so there is no misunderstanding, my questions are purely academic and trying to understand the reasoning and logic behind why anyone would want to push those boundaries.

Minor children have very little understanding of such things. For that matter even some adults have problems understanding such complex things!

IMO, also age is an arbitrary number anyways. I have heard the justification of some saying, "Well my granny got married at 14 and had a passel of kids by the time she was 18 years old."

That doesn't justify it IMO. Fifty, sixty, seventy, and eighty years ago, a girl of 14 was probably vastly superior in maturity to even women in their twenties in current times. In WW1 and WW2, there were young men that were 15 to 17 years old going to war, fighting and dying in battle. I just don't see that same behavior with the same group of youngsters of current times.

Greater maturity and greater appearance of age. Technically the term pedophile applies only to someone with an affinity to pre-pubescent children. Hebephilia involves pubescent children (i.e. not completed puberty, not a sexually mature adult). Ephebophilia involves post-pubescent people (sexually mature, arguably adults, but possibly not meeting the local society's standard of majority). So to a far point, the terms are at least based on inherent biology.

I think there's room to argue that sexual activity between any post-pubescent people may be acceptable. But that depends on other factors such as how the society prepares prepares adolescents for adulthood and the resulting emotional maturity. There's a lot more that goes into mental health around sexual activity than just post-pubescent hormone generation.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

If you have enough money, you can buy child sex slaves. Don't ask me how I know this. Seriously. I'd like to forget that part of my life.

But hasn't this thread drifted a bit too far from the whole question of trans folk competing in sports?



Thanks for going back to the OP subject.

Ben lol I love you man

 

[jordanmills]

If you have enough money, you can buy child sex slaves. Don't ask me how I know this. Seriously. I'd like to forget that part of my life.

But hasn't this thread drifted a bit too far from the whole question of trans folk competing in sports?



Thanks for going back to the OP subject.

I think you're right. Another thread or another time.

 

[kyletxria1911a1]

Greater maturity and greater appearance of age. Technically the term pedophile applies only to someone with an affinity to pre-pubescent children. Hebephilia involves pubescent children (i.e. not completed puberty, not a sexually mature adult). Ephebophilia involves post-pubescent people (sexually mature, arguably adults, but possibly not meeting the local society's standard of majority). So to a far point, the terms are at least based on inherent biology.

I think there's room to argue that sexual activity between any post-pubescent people may be acceptable. But that depends on other factors such as how the society prepares prepares adolescents for adulthood and the resulting emotional maturity. There's a lot more that goes into mental health around sexual activity than just post-pubescent hormone generation.

Brother I understand that some cultures find that excepting.
But in my mind you die