Open Handgun Carry in Texas? If not, WHY not?

[Mexican_Hippie]

Government licensing of anything is a frickin joke.

Constitutional carry + intrastate law pushing back on NFA is what we need.

My level of training and method if carry is none of anyone else's business. I'm liable either way if I accidentally shoot you.

Freedom...deal with it son!

 

[Renegade]

In my opinion If OC is to last there needs to be some sort of licensing, training, and qualifying to help to some degree to insure the safety of others.

You are entitled to your opinion, but the facts completely contradict it. OC has been going in Texas and other states for hundreds of years. There is no evidence unlicensed OC is a safety problem. When was the last time an an unlicensed OC'er harmed anyone?

 

[TheDan]

Freedom...deal with it son!

That's right!

 

[PappyUSA]

Well, perhaps I shouldn't have used the word “License”. That little word seems to have attracted a lot of venom and sarcasm which is understandable. But, there are first time gun buyers out there with there first gun that have no idea how to use and carry them in a safe manor. These are the people that I worry about. And yes they are legally liable if they shoot an innocent person but suppose the shooter can't bring back the dead and has no assets to sue for. And lets assume that the innocent person that got shot strongly objects to being shot by someone who cant bring back the dead and has no assets to sue for. Don't the people at least have the right to expect that someone carrying a gun in a densely populated area at least know how to handle a gun. Many first time gun buyer now days did not grow up in an environment with guns and have never even handled one before. I strongly object to these people carrying a gun in a densely populated area without attending some sort of safety class first. It doesn’t even have to be done by the state, I would be happy to see it done by the same people that give the CHL classes. Most states require some sort of hunter education training course before a person can hunt. Why not do the same for people carrying a gun in a densely populated area with some exemptions for Military, ex-military and LE etc.


And yes I did deserve the flaking for using the “L” word but I have to stand my ground on safety classes. I started all my children out on guns and they know how to handle them but there is a whole generation of young people out there that did not have the benefit of being trained by there parents.


You all had every right to throw turds at me for using the L word and I don't take it personal but I believe I'm right and of course, it's just my opinion.

 

[matefrio]

You all had every right to throw turds at me for using the L word and I don't take it personal but I believe I'm right and of course, it's just my opinion.

What would you consider a minimum safety class course to look like?

What topics would be covered?

How long should it last?

Would it include live fire?

 

[Younggun]

What would you consider a minimum safety class course to look like?

What topics would be covered?

How long should it last?

Would it include live fire?

And how much will it cost?

 

[PappyUSA]

What would you consider a minimum safety class course to look like?

What topics would be covered?

How long should it last?

Would it include live fire?

Well, I feel that the NRA would be better qualified than myself to outline a safety course.

 

[PappyUSA]

younggun:
I guess that would be up to the same people that give CHL classes.

 

[PappyUSA]

And how much will it cost?

That could open a whole new source of sales for companies like Carter's that have there own shooting range. They may be able to offer them free with the sale of a gun.

 

[Younggun]

younggun:
I guess that would be up to the same people that give CHL classes.

There is also a state fee involved.


Basically, driving up the cost to exercise a right. Do you have to pay a fee for free speech? Is there a fee on the third, fourth, fifth, etc amendments?


Why should the second be any different?

 

[PappyUSA]

There is also a state fee involved.


Basically, driving up the cost to exercise a right. Do you have to pay a fee for free speech? Is there a fee on the third, fourth, fifth, etc amendments?


Why should the second be any different?

Well yeah, you bring up valid points that I don't have answers for and the state would be quick to recognize a cash cow when they see it just as they do when you buy a gun in Texas there are taxes and a fish & game fee I think.
Some of this stuff can be handled at the election booth. I remember that we once had a governor that wouldn't pass the CHL law who was voted out and then when Bush got in he couldn't sign it fast enough.

 

[matefrio]

Well, I feel that the NRA would be better qualified than myself to outline a safety course.

The problem is the NRA wouldn't be the one creating the course. It'd be up to the States and politicians.

As they represent you as a voter you would have some input so I ask here for an idea of a course that would make you comfortable enough to allow the person once completed to open carry.

The political process though would create a class full of compromises and red tape though in the end may not look anything like your intentions.

You'd also need to make the course profitable for instructors or there'd be not one instructor to teach it.

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[PappyUSA]

The problem is the NRA wouldn't be the one creating the course. It'd be up to the States and politicians.

As they represent you as a voter you would have some input so I ask here for an idea of a course that would make you comfortable enough to allow the person once completed to open carry.

The political process though would create a class full of compromises and red tape though in the end may not look anything like your intentions.

You'd also need to make the course profitable for instructors or there'd be not one instructor to teach it.

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That’s an interesting question. I would think that just giving the state the power to mandate a test or course outlined by the NRA (which I believe they already have one) would be good enough without letting the state actually design it. Austin is already full of California thinking liberals whose wife’s wont let them have a gun in the house. I think it would be better to let the NRA outline the test and have the state mandate it.

 

[Younggun]

Should a safety course also be required for car carry.

 

[PappyUSA]

Should a safety course also be required for car carry.

No. And not on your property or out in the boonies.

I'm mostly talking about those new to guns carrying them in populated areas.

 

[txbikerman]

The government wether state or fed is in enough if our business. The 2nd amendment is in effect
They need to enforce the laws against the criminals and leave us law abiding citizens alone. We should have the right to open carry if we wish. Just my 02. Cents


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[PappyUSA]

The government wether state or fed is in enough if our business. The 2nd amendment is in effect
They need to enforce the laws against the criminals and leave us law abiding citizens alone. We should have the right to open carry if we wish. Just my 02. Cents


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Yes I agree with you on that point. Our Gov has step beyond it's boundaries and that can only be fixed over time at the voting booth by people who will think, communicate, and vote.
But:
Quite some time ago I was at the American Shooting Center in SW Houston and when they gave the cease fire there was a younger person still at the line fumbling around trying to clear a 1911 in condition one. The range master was quick to spot it and showed him how to do it safely. This is very basic knowledge that he should have already had. These people exist and there out there.

 

[PappyUSA]

Several years ago I bought a Glock at Carter's and to there credit before I was allowed to take possession of the gun the salesman showed me how to strip it down and put it back together. I already knew how to do this but he went through it anyhow. I then had to sign a form stating the demo was given. I think it's some sort of thing between them and Glock, who knows. But the point is that even if I was a soccer mom that had never seen a gun before they made sure that I knew how to look at the extractor and tell if there was one in the pipe and how to disassemble and reassemble the gun. This is a great place to start.

 

[Vaquero]

Should be left up to local gov.
County at most.
I dont frequent densely populated areas.
I do frequent sparsely populated areas.

 

[Younggun]

No. And not on your property or out in the boonies.

I'm mostly talking about those new to guns carrying them in populated areas.

What if someone new to guns chooses to car carry in the metroplex or down town Austin?