People defending Alec Baldwin

[Pdyson]

I could have defended him if this was his first time handling a gun on set.
He knew the weapons handling drill, it’s the same on every set. He took a shortcut and that is not an accident…it’s negligent

 

[General Zod]

The propmaster/armorer's attorneys are now saying she wasn't even present - which she was supposed to be any time firearms were handled on-set. According to them, it wasn't even a rehearsal, it was a run-through to get camera positions and lighting and there was no reason for him to have a pistol in his hand...pistols which, according to her lawyers, shouldn't have even been on set.

Then again this could be a bit of lawyer-induced CYA storytelling. There's no way to be sure right now.

 

[Axxe55]

The propmaster/armorer's attorneys are now saying she wasn't even present - which she was supposed to be any time firearms were handled on-set. According to them, it wasn't even a rehearsal, it was a run-through to get camera positions and lighting and there was no reason for him to have a pistol in his hand...pistols which, according to her lawyers, shouldn't have even been on set.

Then again this could be a bit of lawyer-induced CYA storytelling. There's no way to be sure right now.

Well, that pistol didn't end up on the set, and in his hand out of thin air.

I agree with the lawyer induced CYA, but she was the head armorer, and if I'm not mistaken, that puts the safety and storage of the firearms under her control. Even IF she were not present, then one might be able to conclude that she was negligent in safely storing the weapons from being used without her knowledge and control.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

The propmaster/armorer's attorneys are now saying she wasn't even present - which she was supposed to be any time firearms were handled on-set. According to them, it wasn't even a rehearsal, it was a run-through to get camera positions and lighting and there was no reason for him to have a pistol in his hand...pistols which, according to her lawyers, shouldn't have even been on set.

Then again this could be a bit of lawyer-induced CYA storytelling. There's no way to be sure right now.

It had been said that he was practicing his draw.

 

[Vaquero]

It had been said that he was practicing his draw.

I should practice my draw.
Seriously.

 

[benenglish]

The propmaster/armorer's attorneys are now saying...

According to something that popped up in my newsfeed yesterday, they're also floating the theory that it was some sort of deliberate sabotage. Danged if I can't find it again right now.

ETA: Ninja'd by Cam in the other thread.

 

[jrbfishn]

I have considered that as well. Always a possibility of that.
But bottom line, if Baldwin had been following basic safety rules or at least verified blanks or real ammo in the gun, it would not have happened.
With all the research and learning they say they do, why can't he at least learn how to properly handle any real gun he would use on set to insure safety?

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[cycleguy2300]

Your opinion is wrong. Come work in my gunstore for a day. It should make you uncomfortable. I will check a gun before handing it to a customer even if I just showed it to someone else 10 minutes earlier and it hasn't left my sight. That customer then takes it and waves the muzzle at my face a dozen times in 5 minutes. I know it's unloaded, and yet it's STILL inappropriate.

As the saying goes, "accidents don't happen. Negligence happens." Baldwin has been handling guns for many decades. Pick which version you think applies: Baldwin has never had, in decades of handling guns on sets, any fundamental, Eddie the Eagle level safety course so he doesn't know to "treat all guns as if they're loaded" "never point a gun at someone..." etc., or, b) Baldwin is an arrogant narcissist that thinks rules don't apply to him.

The shooting was clearly unintentional. But even when I play airsoft with my nephews (which I'm way too out of shape to do), I keep my finger off the trigger when I move if I'm not shooting. The training is engrained.

The experts maybe should be fired, but they're not culpable in the homicide in my opinion because there was no intent AND they're not responsible for Baldwins actions. Apparently the rules from the unions or whatever are that the armorer or prop master checks the gun WITH the actor, the actor validates the condition of the firearm, etc. So maybe the prop master didn't do his/her job, but the actor who happens to also be the producer, should have insisted the prop master do the job correctly. So Baldwin is guilty as the trigger puller AND guilty as the producer who did not insist safety rules are followed. Carelessness and negligence are elements in a lot of unintended homicides.

Remember, this prop gun wasn't a plastic replica. It was a REAL gun used as a prop, and he didn't respect it as such. Go to our facebook page that I'm not allowed to post here and we have a video of a customer handing us an "unloaded" AR15. Yes, that's a live round that comes out of the "empty" chamber. Good thing we didn't just take his word for it. BASIC gun safety, even on a liberal movie set.

That's because you work at a gun store and not a movie set.

You could save yourself some time if you just dropped a flag in the chamber...

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[cycleguy2300]

How many convicted of manslaughter were in the category of 'unintentional', but still had to serve time?

Most?

Jeeze, I didn't 'mean to kill her' it was 'unintentional' so my ass remains free...now, get outta muh face, I gotta a movie to finish.

Oh, btw, tell the woman I killed's family - I didn't mean to kill her - so sorry, but hey, it was 'unintentional'.

I personally know of a woman who killed another driver because she was drunk - she served 2+ years for manslaughter, but it too was 'unintentional'...

I had a colleague who's brother was killed by a drunk driver and said 'drunk driver' also served time for manslaughter.

ab, is no different - it was 'manslaughter'.

I also wonder if he was tested for alcohol or drugs immediately after he 'unintentionally' killed?

Not many when the person killed was on a bicycle and "the sun was in my eyes" or "I swerved to miss a box"

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[Axxe55]

I have considered that as well. Always a possibility of that.
But bottom line, if Baldwin had been following basic safety rules or at least verified blanks or real ammo in the gun, it would not have happened.
With all the research and learning they say they do, why can't he at least learn how to properly handle any real gun he would use on set to insure safety?

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I totally agree with you on this. But, where I see some of the problem, is the rules of safety on the movie set don't mean much if they are ignored, or someone isn't enforcing that they are adhered to.

Several private companies I have worked for in the past, routinely safety rules and regulations were ignored, or no one stepped up to make sure they were followed. These were companies tat had high incidents of "accidents" in the workplace.

 

[innominate]

It's been mentioned a few times that there is no need for a firearm to be pointed at a person on set. Cameras can be operated remotely, people behind barriers, angle of the "shot" etc. Even if it is not a written rule but an established standard of practice in movieland then jackwagon violated that standard. IF it's a standard of practice he should be held responsible. Imo

 

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[Renegade]

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[General Zod]

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[Axxe55]

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[Aus_Schwaben]

And now the Left is concerned with the stress of accidentally shooting someone:

Alec Baldwin and the neglected trauma of unintentional killing

Alec Baldwin accidentally killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in the deadly "Rust" shooting. His trauma is important too.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Chuckles]

And now the Left is concerned with the stress of accidentally shooting someone:

Alec Baldwin and the neglected trauma of unintentional killing

Alec Baldwin accidentally killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in the deadly "Rust" shooting. His trauma is important too.

www.usatoday.com

Priorities.

 

[General Zod]

And now the Left is concerned with the stress of accidentally shooting someone:

Alec Baldwin and the neglected trauma of unintentional killing

Alec Baldwin accidentally killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins in the deadly "Rust" shooting. His trauma is important too.

www.usatoday.com

Simple solution there...don't point a firearm at someone and pull the trigger and you won't have that trauma. No freaking way I'm going to feel sorry for Baldwin. He created the unprofessional atmosphere on the set as the producer, and he pulled the trigger.