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bbbass

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He was practicing his quick draw.

Is the edit possible as well?

I think so!

What is the excuse for practicing a cross draw and not only sweeping Hutchins and Sousa, but actually pulling the trigger??? If practicing, he would be doing it repeatedly.

This not only violates all common safety rules, which Hollyweird often does, but also violates current film industry safety standards/protocols.

I normally don't like to see people prosecuted for "accidents". But this was so over the top reckless.

My take, and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Express last night, is criminal negligence on the part of a number of people there... but especially the person that was negligently practicing his cross draw with no regard for standard industry safety protocols. Civilly, there is plenty of liability to go around.

This movie will prob win a number of awards, and AB will get an Oscar cuz he's a victim of the evil gun and "they" feel sorry for him.
 

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as they weren’t filming yet, the gun was cold… i’d imagine if he were a better shot, he would have hit the camera itself.

Baldwin & the three at the camera were a fair distance appart (i base this guess on the director having heard the bullet prior to the report*)

*Souza was looking over Hutchins' shoulder when he heard what “sounded like a whip and then loud pop," according to the affidavit.
 

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From everything I’ve read about this shooting:
1) the “gun wrangler” was not allowed within the filming space where the shooting took place.
2) the “gun wrangler’s gun cart“ was not allowed within the filming space where the shooting took place.
3) an Assistant Director picked up a pistol from the “gun wrangler’s cart”.
4) it has not yet been reported whether “the gun wrangler“ was present, or whether “the gun wrangler“ approved, when the Assistant Director picked up a pistol, from a number of pistols, from the “gun wrangler’s gun cart”.
5) it has not been reported whether this Assistant Director was approved as a “second gun wrangler” for this movie location either before or after workers walked off the filming site over wage and safety disputes.
6) this Assistant Director was the individual who announced “cold gun” as he presented the pistol to Baldwin.
7) their is zero reporting, including Baldwin’s statements, that Baldwin inspected the “reportedly cold gun” before he initiated his personal sequence of actions that resulted in his lethally firing the pistol.
8) historically a “prop gun” is a “range of firearms/weapons owned by “the movie/show industry” solely for the purpose of use within movie/show production. The “prop guns” are lethal firearms ranging from muzzle-loading-single-shot-pistols to modern-military personne, aircraft, and shipboard weapons of all varieties.
9) while it is possible that “the movie/show industry“ does currently utilize rubber or plastic “non-firearm firearms“ in some production situations, there are zero reports of “non-firearm firearms” being physically present at the filming location or more specifically located on the “gun wrangle’s gun cart”.

The how and why the lethally loaded pistol was residing upon the “gun wrangler’s gun cart” outside the filming space has not been reported.

So far the two fully-negligent-individuals within this situation are Baldwin and the Assistant Director as neither inspected the “prop gun” to assure that it could be safely utilized within the filming location without the opportunity for a lethal consequence.

From my perspective both individuals should be criminally charged for their negligent actions that resulted in the shooting death of one individual and the wounding of a second. Other individuals can be charged and/or more severe charges can be levied as the sheriff’s office investigation dictate.

Yes I understand about “assumptions“. That said, the two above paragraphs are inline with the real world; a) comports with statements from the sheriff office, the Assistant Director, and Baldwin himself. And
b) is what, at a minimum, any of us would be charged.

My comments are predicated upon information available as of 9:00 AM CDST…
 

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Perhaps the use of many real guns was to avoid long-term rentals of modified and prop guns since the production had a very low budget
I've been astonished at the rental rates for movie props. I've seen rubber guns for background use rented for a rate that, over the course of a shoot, would pay for them many times over. OTOH, I've seen some really, really expensive background set decoration (I'm talking things like $200K+ turntables.) that I always wondered where they wound up. I know that props aren't stolen, willy-nilly and by everyone, the way they once were but I'm still left wondering. The amount of waste seems staggering to me.

No wonder movies are so expensive to make.
 

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I've been astonished at the rental rates for movie props. I've seen rubber guns for background use rented for a rate that, over the course of a shoot, would pay for them many times over. OTOH, I've seen some really, really expensive background set decoration (I'm talking things like $200K+ turntables.) that I always wondered where they wound up. I know that props aren't stolen, willy-nilly and by everyone, the way they once were but I'm still left wondering. The amount of waste seems staggering to me.

No wonder movies are so expensive to make.
Nothing but leftist union "economy".
Why make smart moves and save money when it is not their money and someone's cousin can line their pocket for doing literally nothing?
A friend of mine employed as a stage hand (builds movie sets) left Texas for Commiefornia a few years ago. I could not comprehend why. When he explained to me the unbelievable difference in wealth in the Commiefornian movie industry, I actually did not believe him. He makes multiple times what I make with my college education (no, I did not graduate in gender studies) and he barely finished high school. (I am not jealous, merely providing facts for comparison)

So I can absolutely believe that renting an item for more than it costs to buy it outright is still a "good" choice in Hollywood. It makes no sense to us smart people but it makes sense to someone who gets rich off of the scam. :)
 

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Nothing but leftist union "economy".
Why make smart moves and save money when it is not their money and someone's cousin can line their pocket for doing literally nothing?
A friend of mine employed as a stage hand (builds movie sets) left Texas for Commiefornia a few years ago. I could not comprehend why. When he explained to me the unbelievable difference in wealth in the Commiefornian movie industry, I actually did not believe him. He makes multiple times what I make with my college education (no, I did not graduate in gender studies) and he barely finished high school. (I am not jealous, merely providing facts for comparison)

So I can absolutely believe that renting an item for more than it costs to buy it outright is still a "good" choice in Hollywood. It makes no sense to us smart people but it makes sense to someone who gets rich off of the scam. :)
And it costs 3 times as much to live there.
 

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I went through customs in S.F. once in 2008.

That is all the mexifornia I ever need or want.
 
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