People seeking justice for George Floyd death steal from stores, commit arson

[toddnjoyce]

The plot thickens.

Both Mr. Floyd, who died Monday after the incident, and Mr. Chauvin worked security at the El Nuevo Rodeo Club in Minneapolis, said the former owner, Maya Santamaria.

Paywall:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/george...cgcKPq4YYHdLXM=&reflink=article_copyURL_share

 

[toddnjoyce]

What if the cause of death is from him eating an 8ball laced with phentanal or however you spell it ?

Manner of death is irrelevant if the other evidence clearly proves no crime by the officer was committed, as the prosecuting attorney has said.

 

[Axxe55]

What if the cause of death is from him eating an 8ball laced with phentanal or however you spell it ?

Even IF say he did have drugs in his system at the time of his "arrest" and death, that could be a contributing factor yes, but would he have died as a result, if he had not been thrown to the ground, cuffed and with a knee on his neck, choking him for seven to nine minutes? Probably not IMO.

Plus here's another factor to give some consideration. Once the "suspect" was arrested and cuffed, His rights are being deprived by due process of the law. That is completely legal. Now being arrested, and detained by being cuffed, he has by due process of the law, become the responsibility of those officers, and his well being and safety are suppose to be their concern and responsibility. From the videos I have seen so far, that clearly didn't take place.

When a suspect, or detainee dies in custody, even if the cause of death is something that was a pre-existing problem, and those in charge do not get them proper medical attention, then they are responsible for the death of that suspect or detainee.

 

[Shady]

The officers called for an ambulance BEFORE he was choked out due to concerns for his health.

 

[Shady]

The plot thickens.

Both Mr. Floyd, who died Monday after the incident, and Mr. Chauvin worked security at the El Nuevo Rodeo Club in Minneapolis, said the former owner, Maya Santamaria.

Paywall:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/george-floyd-protests-latest-from-minneapolis-11590756519?emailToken=f4861e02c695c1fa953ed25fe886a0a4vpC1//8TWkLu9Q+5/EKTwZ0hJM/czs09f01mGO5tCLKKT98k/JuRjDy024XzB5LE6dRHeMgR5hFZgwd47eBLVn4DwxnpYcgcKPq4YYHdLXM=&reflink=article_copyURL_share

another source
https://breaking911.com/breaking-ge...le-for-his-death-worked-together-report-says/

 

[Shady]

Well peace is going to be restored and I am sure the riots will stop now
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020...eorge-floyd-death-minneapolis-police-officer/

 

[candcallen]

Officer arrested. Charging documents forthcoming.

Murder and manslaughter.

 

[candcallen]

What if the cause of death is from him eating an 8ball laced with phentanal or however you spell it ?

What if hell froze over? Seriously, stop. All that may adjust charging or lesser included crime verdict.

If they were concerned for such things as you mentioned they wouldn't have laid ontop of him for so many minutes. They called the ambo as sop when he said he couldnt breathe. That will be used against them as they were obviously cognizant of a possible med issue but still stood on his neck.

 

[brashears9567]

Murder and manslaughter.

3rd degree murder.


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[Shady]

So you can assume you know all the details yet I cant imagine other details that might effect the case.

You win.
string the dudes up all 4 of them and also all the bystanders as they should have stopped the cops.

candcallen has spoken

What if hell froze over? Seriously, stop. All that may adjust charging or lesser included crime verdict.

If they were concerned for such things as you mentioned they wouldn't have laid ontop of him for so many minutes. They called the ambo as sop when he said he couldnt breathe. That will be used against them as they were obviously cognizant of a possible med issue but still stood on his neck.

 

[candcallen]

So you can assume you know all the details yet I cant imagine other details that might effect the case.

You win.
string the dudes up all 4 of them and also all the bystanders as they should have stopped the cops.

candcallen has spoken

ETA forgive my assholeish opening. I deleted it.

That is absolutely not what I said. I said several times that there are appropriate places in the criminal justice process to address these what if's. I also touched on why a couple of your assertions of the process were inaccurate.

What ifs?
None of them should be a reason to ignore the video for weeks or months. As far as drug tests, while official full toxicology testing takes time they know at the time of autopsy if something was in the blood or urine. Those tests are instant or take minutes.

Even a positive tox test won't make video of 7 minutes on a guys neck while he slowly dies go away. ESPECIALLY if they had reason to call an ambo. The very best it would do at any point up until a trial verdict is change a charge to manslaughter from murder. The jury may see that different but that's what they are there for.

You keep what iffin till your hearts content.

 

[Axxe55]

3rd degree murder.


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At least 3rd degree murder, and possibly even 2nd degree murder. But they could also be offered a plea deal of manslaughter as well to avoid a lengthy trial.

 

[brashears9567]

At least 3rd degree murder, and possibly even 2nd degree murder. But they could also be offered a plea deal of manslaughter as well to avoid a lengthy trial.

I wonder if that'll be enough to cause the worthless turds to stop stealing shit. Probably not, cause they're human filth.


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[Axxe55]

I wonder if that'll be enough to cause the worthless turds to stop stealing shit. Probably not, cause they're human filth.


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Personally from some of the news feeds I was watching, I think there are two different groups here. The rioters and looters, and the legitimate protesters. I think they are being confused as being one group. I could be wrong though.

 

[brashears9567]

Personally from some of the news feeds I was watching, I think there are two different groups here. The rioters and looters, and the legitimate protesters. I think they are being confused as being one group. I could be wrong though.

I'm referring to the former. Sub human trash.


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[Shady]

Personally from some of the news feeds I was watching, I think there are two different groups here. The rioters and looters, and the legitimate protesters. I think they are being confused as being one group. I could be wrong though.

You forget the 3rd group of paid antagonists.

 

[Axxe55]

You forget the 3rd group of paid antagonists.

I am of the thinking they are part of the looters and rioters. This would be something they would be trying to instigate and trying to create more civil unrest.

 

[candcallen]

It's why looting didnt really start till the second night. Travel arrangements had to be made.

 

[toddnjoyce]

“Colin Kaepernick has launched a fund to hire top defense lawyers for people arrested protesting police brutality in Minneapolis, the center of protests after George Floyd’s death there.”

Probably a paywall:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/colin-...QMsdNWY5Bf71w==&reflink=article_copyURL_share

 

[toddnjoyce]

Here are the relevant MN statutes the dude is charged with

609.195 MURDER IN THE THIRD DEGREE.
(a) Whoever, without intent to effect the death of any person, causes the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life, is guilty of murder in the third degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than 25 years.

609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or ....

As for LEO immunity, MNs public duty doctrine provides for immunity based on all four the tests below:

1. Actual knowledge by the governmental entity of a dangerous condition;
2. Reasonable reliance by persons on the governmental entity’s specific actions or representations, which cause the persons to forego other alternatives of protecting themselves;
3. An ordinance or statute setting forth mandatory acts clearly for the protection of a particular class of persons rather than the public as a whole; and
4. The governmental entity used due care to avoid increasing the risk of harm.

The prosecutor has to prove immunity can be pierced in order and prove the elements of the statute occurred.