Pistol Brace Amnesty/Registration

[oldag]

Lots of pistols have rds.

Would you cut it out with the logic? The ATF has a narrative to fulfill here.

 

[benenglish]

How Optics+Scopes turn your pistol into an SBR

Oops! How OPTICS+SCOPES turn your pistol into a SBR

So you have a pistol and think you are OK.... but are you familiar with the ATF Pistol Brace Rule? Did you know that they will consider the type of scope us...

www.youtube.com

It's still not clear to me if the rule says a rifle optic on a pistol is an SBR...or if it says the rifle optic on a pistol must also have a brace to be an SBR.

In responding to comments, the ATF holds that:

Similarly, the Department agrees that
optics on a firearm should not transform
a firearm into a rifle by themselves, and
the Worksheet 4999 was not intended to
make optics a transformative
characteristic. However, the Department
disagrees with any notion that the optics
on a firearm are irrelevant to the
question of whether a firearm is a rifle...

...so the actual relevant rules is published as...

(1) For purposes of this definition, the
term ‘‘designed or redesigned, made or
remade, and intended to be fired from
the shoulder’’ shall include a weapon
that is equipped with an accessory,
component, or other rearward
attachment (e.g., a ‘‘stabilizing brace’’)
that provides surface area that allows
the weapon to be fired from the
shoulder, provided other factors, as
described in paragraph (2), indicate that
the weapon is designed, made, and
intended to be fired from the shoulder.
(2) When a weapon provides surface
area that allows the weapon to be fired
from the shoulder, the following factors
shall also be considered in determining
whether the weapon is designed, made,
and intended to be fired from the
shoulder:
...
(iii) Whether the weapon is equipped
with sights or a scope with eye relief
that require the weapon to be fired from
the shoulder in order to be used as
designed;
...

...which is very interesting to me because it doesn't actually define "from the shoulder." If a pistol rests against my hand and the back of my hand is on my shoulder, is the pistol being or designed to be fired from the shoulder?

The proposed wording changes do not make that clear. Theoretically, the "...a weapon that is equipped with an accessory, component, or other rearward attachment..." should make this a non-issue.

But if I were an anti-gun lawyer at DOJ, I feel fairly sure that I could write an interpretation of the rule that makes (these terms will mean something to silhouette shooters) taco hold or high-rise scope mounts, if either is employed in a way that violates IHMSA rules, into excuses to define various single-shot target pistols as SBRs.

I'm probably worried about nothing.

But when the BATFE finds out about cheek pistols, especially one set up to use a shoulder sling with forward tension, I feel sure they're going to be tempted to go fully stupid all over again.

 

[seeker_two]

But any funding cuts for the ATF will not make it through the senate.

They will if it's part of the next emergency spending bill.....

 

[oldag]

They will if it's part of the next emergency spending bill.....

Devious, this one is...

 

[LeadChucker]

I buy a lot of stuff on line and sign up for sales alerts. Lately, every sales bulletin is featuring some pretty big price cuts on AR based pistols. Got one today offering their $649, 7.5 inch 5.56 AR pistol for $379, plenty more like that in the 30% range.

Is this a 'get them while you can sale' or 'we can't sell them if a tax stamp is required so clear out the inventory sale?'
What do you guys think?

 

[studenygreg]

Lol

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[zackmars]

Get rid of inventory before it becomes an NFA item

 

[V-Tach]

Get rid of inventory before it becomes an NFA item

Easier to sell non NFA now and let the customer deal with it.....while I don't know for sure, I'm willing to bet most SBR's registered are home built and not commercial builds...

 

[V-Tach]

They will if it's part of the next emergency spending bill.....

You think Repubs will actually play hard ball to level of the Dems?

I hope they do............

 

[wakosama]

OK. can you get one and install a over 16" bbl to make it legal?

at that price even I can afford one. for varmints of course.

 

[zackmars]

OK. can you get one and install a over 16" bbl to make it legal?

at that price even I can afford one. for varmints of course.

Yeah, though i think it will need an actual *stock*, vs a brace to count as a rifle.

I am not a lawyer, obviously

 

[seeker_two]

Seems too much a gamble. But, with certain models (Ruger Charger), it might be worth it. Just leave the brace with the dealer....

 

[seeker_two]

Devious, this one is...

I've worked for state agencies....I can swim with sharks...

You think Repubs will actually play hard ball to level of the Dems?

I hope they do............

A few of them are hardball enough to gum up the works....then BATFE loses funding either way....

 

[Vaquero]

Congress regulates funding.
No senate or potato required.
BATFE is a sinking ship.

 

[benenglish]

Redundant threads merged.

 

[benenglish]

Congress regulates funding.
No senate or potato required.
BATFE is a sinking ship.

In past budget cycles, I can't think of any long-established agencies that were truly hurt. Some have been degraded over time but actual, substantial, right-now punishment? No examples come to mind.

A few decades ago, ATF was on the verge of disappearing by by being folded into the FBI. The FBI didn't want them and the whole situation fizzled.

Are things different this time?

 

[Vaquero]

In past budget cycles, I can't think of any long-established agencies that were truly hurt. Some have been degraded over time but actual, substantial, right-now punishment? No examples come to mind.

A few decades ago, ATF was on the verge of disappearing by by being folded into the FBI. The FBI didn't want them and the whole situation fizzled.

Are things different this time?

I can't think of more damning rulings coming from the Supreme Court against the ATF in our lifetimes.
I don't have the insight that you have. I just try to take things at face value.
If I'm seeing things wrong, I'm open to being corrected.

 

[benenglish]

I can't think of more damning rulings coming from the Supreme Court against the ATF in our lifetimes.

That's a valid observation. Let's hope the situation bears fruit this time.

 

[PDiddy]

You think Repubs will actually play hard ball to level of the Dems?

I hope they do............

Not a chance in Hell. McCarthy already blathering about wanting to raise the debt ceiling.

 

[Vaquero]

Not a chance in Hell. McCarthy already blathering about wanting to raise the debt ceiling.

I won't belittle the debt ceiling, but I honestly believe the 1st through 4th amendments are a bigger issue.
We're seeing a fundamental change from the bench.
I'm more optimistic than I've been in decades.
If I'm wrong, GOD help us.