Reloading in self defense.

[cb51]

Has anyone ever heard, read, or seen a civilian shooting that was a self defense type of scenario, that required a reload and more shooting?

I've watched all kinds of surveillance camera footage and news reports, but I've never seen a reload done. It still seems to be over in a few seconds and a few shots.

Any LEO's here chime in.

 

[majormadmax]

It's rare, but it does happen (approximately 0.06% of the time according to this study)...

Analysis of Five Years of Armed Encounters (With Data Tables)

"For the period 1997 – 2001, reports from “The Armed Citizen” column of the NRA Journals were collected. There were 482 incidents available for inclusion in the analysis. All involved the use of firearms by private citizens in self defense or defense of others. No law enforcement related incidents were included. The database is self-selecting in that no non-positive outcomes were reported in the column...

Reloading was required in only 3 incidents. One of those involved killing an escaped lion with a .32 caliber revolver, which was eventually successful after 13 shots."

 

[DwnRange]

http://www.tierthreetactical.com/17...ats-backed-by-data-and-real-world-experience/

excerpt:
10. The deadliest distances for police gunfights is 3-6 feet.

17. Most gunfights average 3.59 rounds per incident

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Call me crazy, but I'm carrying an extra mag.

 

[Kar98]

I've seen one video of an Asian housewife whose slide locked back on empty, but that was a three perp home invasion and even then a reload was not necessary.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb

 

[Charlie Primero]

Analysis of Five Years of Armed Encounters (With Data Tables)

"When more than 2 shots were fired, it generally appeared that the defender’s initial response was to fire until empty. It appears that revolver shooters are more likely to empty their guns than autoloader shooters."

I didn't expect that.

 

[pronstar]

It's rare, but it does happen (approximately 0.06% of the time according to this study)...

Analysis of Five Years of Armed Encounters (With Data Tables)

"For the period 1997 – 2001, reports from “The Armed Citizen” column of the NRA Journals were collected. There were 482 incidents available for inclusion in the analysis. All involved the use of firearms by private citizens in self defense or defense of others. No law enforcement related incidents were included. The database is self-selecting in that no non-positive outcomes were reported in the column...

Reloading was required in only 3 incidents. One of those involved killing an escaped lion with a .32 caliber revolver, which was eventually successful after 13 shots."

I'm wondering if things are different today, as firearms have progressed and there are way more CCW holders today than in 1997 - 2001.


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[V-Tach]

Call me crazy, but I'm carrying an extra mag.

....and I carry two....
7 rounds of .45 acp may not be enough...although some say all you need is one round of .45 acp....lol....

 

[sharkey]

Call me crazy, but I'm carrying an extra mag.

Yep. Guns malfunction and that is a more realistic scenario than emptying a full mag. There are videos of guns jamming during a gun fight


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[cb51]

I've seen one video of an Asian housewife whose slide locked back on empty, but that was a three perp home invasion and even then a reload was not necessary.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/09/23/woman-shoots-at-burglars-during-home-invasion-dnt.wsb

I remember watching the that one on youtube, and thinking that it lived up to the pattern. That of the criminals running off at the first shot. With the three to one odds and her doing just about everything wrong, she could have been killed if they were not the total cowards that they were. She actually passed one of the intruders going the other way, and had her back to where he went. I think the one in the white hoodie was found outside in the driveway, dead.

It's just so amazing that with three to one odds in their favor, not one of the bad guys returned fire at all.

 

[jrbfishn]

Not really surprising. Most people don't want on the job life threatening situations. Including criminals

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[DwnRange]

Not really surprising. Most people don't want on the job life threatening situations. Including criminals

Sorry sir, those nit-wits are an insult to real criminals....., or you are insulting criminals, (still trying figure out which)...

 

[cb51]

It's rare, but it does happen (approximately 0.06% of the time according to this study)...

Analysis of Five Years of Armed Encounters (With Data Tables)

"For the period 1997 – 2001, reports from “The Armed Citizen” column of the NRA Journals were collected. There were 482 incidents available for inclusion in the analysis. All involved the use of firearms by private citizens in self defense or defense of others. No law enforcement related incidents were included. The database is self-selecting in that no non-positive outcomes were reported in the column...

Reloading was required in only 3 incidents. One of those involved killing an escaped lion with a .32 caliber revolver, which was eventually successful after 13 shots."

This sort of jibes with my own experiences of life that shooting back with anything usually does it.

 

[Kosh75287]

Call me crazy, but I'm carrying an extra mag.

If yer crazy for THAT, then you have a lotta fellow lunatics, out there, myself among them. I just FLAT refuse to lose a gunfight because I'm not carrying enough ammo to finish the fight. I might lose for OTHER reasons, but it won't be because I've run outta bullets.

 

[LOCKHART]

Unless your opponents FIRST shot hits the sweet spot, then it doesn't matter HOW many extra mags you're carrying. First rule of a gun fight: Don't be there!

 

[Kosh75287]

Like we ALWAYS have THAT option...

 

[candcallen]

You carry a reload for the same reason you carry to begin with.

Shit happens when you party naked.

 

[LOCKHART]

Second Rule: if you HAVE to be there, bring a GUN!

 

[skfullgun]

I carried JFrames exclusively for decades. In a Barami hip grip or pocket holster, they are easy to forget you have them. On many occasions I carried two.

I figured it would be easier to re-gun than re-load if things went south.

 

[Kosh75287]

I carried J-Frames exclusively for decades.

Well, since you're still breathing, it appears that you did SOMETHING right. Can't argue with the results. I'D have tried another method, but there's no guarantee that it would have been as or more efficacious.