S&W following Ruger in Cali pulling guns due to unreasonable law

[hard eight]

I get that. But i guess why i dont rejoice is because the good people get hurt. Hurt not by Ruger or S&W but by their own governments.

Without Life there can be no Liberty.

But...but gubbermint is here to help us, like with healthcare and stuff....

 

[grumper]

 

[TX69]

I get that. But i guess why i dont rejoice is because the good people get hurt. Hurt not by Ruger or S&W but by their own governments.

Without Life there can be no Liberty.

THey should then move. Last I checked they are still free to pack their crap and leave. Especially those that have children because if they stay they are then forcing their children to accept the same tyranny.

 

[Big Dipper]

This is just the "new" way in which the antis are accomplishing their goals!

Rather than trying to (unconstitutionally) ban firearms (and getting slapped down), they have figured out that they can get what they want by making gun ownership (very) expensive. This was first done with the NFA of 1934 and the $200 transfer tax (at that time a very high price to pay, when handguns could be purchased for less than $50).

Cook County, IL, tacked on a $25 per firearm "tax" last year on the purchase of any firearm. They even considered also tacking on $0.05 per round on ammunition but backed off (for now) doing that.

California is merely following suit, but in a different way. Just make it too expensive for the manufacturers to comply with their outrageous "safety" requirements. It becomes economically infeasible for the manufacturer to comply for a relatively small volume for just one state.

The problem that I see with what is happening in CA is that many of the antis are learning what is "succeeding" in some of these states and are bound to try it on a national level. Maybe the NFA $200 (or some other "excise") will be expanded to all firearms just for starters.

What is happening there is frightening and we should all be concerned, not just saying "they deserve what they got".

 

[PhulesAu]

so you'd sell your 500 acre wine farm if you owned one there, at a huge loss ? I assume yes.

yes, because I'd be taxed out of business. NON Suck ass white men, don't get breaks. Sell out with a scorched earth policy.

 

[karlac]

If they are getting "hurt", it's their own fault. They FAILED to rise up, or leave the crap hole.

Exactly. The government you allow as a citizen, is the government you deserve.

 

[Anger]

Exactly. The government you allow as a citizen, is the government you deserve.

eggactly ,therefore when the FED's take over everything, we have nothing. yep, lets celebrate the fact peeps in CA didn't stand a chance. Just wait till the 10 children per new 'immigrant' in tx chances your mind. TX will soon be purple per the blue's mind set.

 

[karlac]

This is just the "new" way in which the antis are accomplishing their goals!

What is happening there is frightening and we should all be concerned, not just saying "they deserve what they got".

I hear you, but when 43% of the voters in CA are registered Democrats, the remainder who failed to vote indeed got exactly what they deserve.

 

[breakingcontact]

THey should then move. Last I checked they are still free to pack their crap and leave. Especially those that have children because if they stay they are then forcing their children to accept the same tyranny.

At first I would say they shouldn't HAVE to move, however, if they value their liberty and as you point out, their children's future, then they may HAVE to move whether they should have to or not. So I agree with that. I do have to say that people will look for the reasons to stay to not have to deal with the uncomfortable reality that may come with having to uproot and leave. I have family and friends trapped behind the socialist curtain in Illinois. Why don't they leave? Economically, they have it easy there with established jobs, homes and friends. So that comes down to what you value more. I pulled the plug and left. Only regret is not doing it 10 years ago.

What is happening there is frightening and we should all be concerned, not just saying "they deserve what they got".

Agreed.

I felt the same way when people flaunt that they bought their ammo before the craze and everyone else should have done the same. Great, you made a smart decision, now what?

I just think of some girl who gets raped in NYC because she couldn't carry a gun when I hear people say "they deserve what they get", no no they don't. The English who respect the rights given by God don't deserve what their government does to them either.

I'm one of the first to blame low turnout of informed voters for our lousy government, but when the government turns against the people, I don't blame the people.

 

[Texan-in-Training]

I hear you, but when 43% of the voters in CA are registered Democrats, the remainder who failed to vote indeed got exactly what they deserve.

Part of what you see in that simple statistic is "smoke & mirrors"... 21% of California's voters are registered as "no party affiliation". That and California's "Top Two" Open Primary has resulted in 2/3's of both the State Assembly and Senate being Democrats. Add "Moon Beam", and they're totally screwed.

 

[karlac]

Part of what you see in that simple statistic is "smoke & mirrors"... 21% of California's voters are registered as "no party affiliation". That and California's "Top Two" Open Primary has resulted in 2/3's of both the State Assembly and Senate being Democrats. Add "Moon Beam", and they're totally screwed.

Agreed, but basically irrelevant. Fact remains that when a minority imposes their will on the majority, the majority has nothing to blame but their apathy, a fact that progressives count on. The change in demographics, both locally and nationally, only leverages that political fact.

 

[Texan-in-Training]

Fact remains that when a minority imposes their will on the majority, the majority has nothing to blame but their apathy, a fact that progressives count on.

Completely agree with your philosophy in this statement.
However, considering the "wake up call" of the 2008 election and the formation of the Tea Party, it's really hard to believe that 43% of the electorate can claim 66% of the elected officials based on apathy alone. California Assembly members serve 2 year terms and the State Senate 4 year terms. That's close to three election cycles for Assembly since 2008.

 

[M. Sage]

A few quick points. I'm saying this is someone who isn't from California (I never really fit in there, and never liked the place) but lived there for a few years and was active in the 2A fight there. Through circumstances I still don't understand, I wound up on the very edge of the group who basically directed the fight. Life is weird...

Anyhow...

IMO, this signals a lawsuit coming. Look at what the Heller decision said about not being able to ban guns that are in common use.

On gun makers "always" supporting 2nd Amendment rights? Nope. Bill Ruger. 'Nuff said, but I'll also bring up S&W and their voluntary agreements with the forces of evil back in the day. Not enough? Fine. Anybody who thinks Glock would ever even think about doing something like this is smoking crack. But hey - Austrians, statism... Totally understandable.

State full of liberals? Hell, no. State full of voter fraud. I can tell you for a fact that voter fraud is very rampant, at least in San Francisco (it's not even a secret that the Dems straight up buy - pay on the spot - thousands of votes every election). I actually knew very few dyed in the wool progressives (AKA liberals) out there, but then I do have callouses on my hands and dirt under my fingernails thanks to how I make a living. I'm not sure how different cubicle land is because I knew/know a mess of IT type geeks and they tend at least libertarian or anarchist (real anarchist, not the fake anarchosocialist ones that you see burning trash cans at riots) if not conservative.

 

[TX69]

At first I would say they shouldn't HAVE to move, however, if they value their liberty and as you point out, their children's future, then they may HAVE to move whether they should have to or not. So I agree with that. I do have to say that people will look for the reasons to stay to not have to deal with the uncomfortable reality that may come with having to uproot and leave. I have family and friends trapped behind the socialist curtain in Illinois. Why don't they leave? Economically, they have it easy there with established jobs, homes and friends. So that comes down to what you value more. I pulled the plug and left. Only regret is not doing it 10 years ago.



Agreed.

I felt the same way when people flaunt that they bought their ammo before the craze and everyone else should have done the same. Great, you made a smart decision, now what?

I just think of some girl who gets raped in NYC because she couldn't carry a gun when I hear people say "they deserve what they get", no no they don't. The English who respect the rights given by God don't deserve what their government does to them either.

I'm one of the first to blame low turnout of informed voters for our lousy government, but when the government turns against the people, I don't blame the people.

I have and friends there too. They have been conditioned all of their lives that where they live and what goes on is acceptable. Fat drunk and happy voters allows the politicians to do whatever they please. Illinois population has flat lined in the last ten years and they are on the bottom of the competitive list. I would extend my program to Champagne and Chicago and put them at the top of my list.