Sig Being Sued Bigly ( 320 Firing on Its Own)

[innominate]

It is a light trigger

The trigger doesn't have a safety tab or hinge like glock/s&w

The striker is fully tensioned

The striker return spring has a pitifully low lifespan, meaning the striker can cause a slam fire.

No, the gun won't just "go off" in a night stand. Yes it takes such harsh actions such as dropping the slide or holstering to get it to fire.

But if your gun fires because you dropped the slide, it is a giant piece of shit. I've messed with semi auto pistols from the late 1890's that don't do that. And they didn't even know what a slide should look like back then

Slam fire is a different issue. The complaints aren't about that. People are saying the pistol magically went off without anything touching the trigger. If it is a defect it should be a reproducible problem. I have yet to see an example of one of the pistols in question tested and reproducing the spontaneous firing. I could understand sending it to sig and them "fixing" the problem when this was a new issue. Since this is a know "issue" why haven't these pistols been independently tested after these incidents? If they have been verified and repeated independently that would be a winning lottery ticket imo.

 

[zackmars]

Slam fire is a different issue. The complaints aren't about that. People are saying the pistol magically went off without anything touching the trigger. If it is a defect it should be a reproducible problem. I have yet to see an example of one of the pistols in question tested and reproducing the spontaneous firing. I could understand sending it to sig and them "fixing" the problem when this was a new issue. Since this is a know "issue" why haven't these pistols been independently tested after these incidents? If they have been verified and repeated independently that would be a winning lottery ticket imo.

There are multiple ways a striker return spring can fail (especially one as fragile as sigs) it can simply break/snap. It can shrivel up into less than a quarter of it's original length.

This can also be caused by poor sear contact, which is another complaint ive seen leveled at the design. I hate to break it to you, but there's no independent committee that you can just send a gun off to to have it "tested" or "verified". You take it to a real smith that knows about that stuff, they'll tell you to either shove off, or they'll sit on it for months while they work on other stuff.

Until there is some "independent place you can send it off to", you'll just have to be satisfied with people posting pics of crumpled up SRS's, documenting poor sear engagement, the odd ND, and understand that the company ran by the guy who ruined kimber is currently working his way through sig faster than a 12 taco box from taco bell.


Or its all some grand conspiracy that it just so happens, no other current pistol has to deal with.

 

[Johnny Diamond]

Seem to recall much the same discussion regarding Remington...very heated

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[zackmars]

 

[Havok1]

If you don't understand what the striker return spring does, you probably shouldn't be taking either side.


If the striker return spring isn't working, the striker is still set forward where it can contact the primer of the recently loaded cartridge. Gun fires. Think of it like a fixed firing pin in a SMG.

I've posted 3 examples of issues directly related to the striker return spring, 2 of which resulted into ND's. Do you have actual evidence that it is shooter negligence? Do you have proof that the striker return spring can wear so drastically and not be an issue?

Simply dismissing my argument because "everyone blames the equipment" isn't an argument.

Eta, and it's not an independent issue if sig just didn't give a damn during the design and testing process, and we're witnessing the gun display it's unresolved issues that Beretta, Glock, HK, or Walther, etc would have found and fixed before the first gun left the doors

If the spring failed causing the striker to remain in a position where it could contact the primer it would not have ND’d in the manner that it did. It would have either A- fired a the round when the slide went forward during its normal cycling, or B- fired the round as soon as he slammed it down in the holster. But that’s not what he said happened. He said it fired when he was raising his hands, which makes it more likely that his shirt got caught in the holster

 

[Eastexasrick]

Until there is some "independent place you can send it off to", you'll just have to be satisfied with people posting pics of crumpled up SRS's, documenting poor sear engagement, the odd ND, and understand that the company ran by the guy who ruined kimber is currently working his way through sig faster than a 12 taco box from taco bell.


Or its all some grand conspiracy that it just so happens, no other current pistol has to deal with.

Forensic labs are abundant. Testing is what they do. Being satisfied with anecdotal evidence is unacceptable, there is nothing empirical presented at this time.

And just wondering did the new asswipe running/ ruining SIG have anything to do with older designs?

 

[zackmars]

If the spring failed causing the striker to remain in a position where it could contact the primer it would not have ND’d in the manner that it did. It would have either A- fired a the round when the slide went forward during its normal cycling, or B- fired the round as soon as he slammed it down in the holster. But that’s not what he said happened. He said it fired when he was raising his hands, which makes it more likely that his shirt got caught in the holster

There were witnesses who said that it didn't happen that way. Im glad you were there to record the actual truth.

If the SRS fails, and gives way, the fully tensioned striker will fire the gun.

There is a reason why everyone except sig use big durable SRS's in their guns.


There is a reason why everyone except sig isn't having to fight off a bunch of lawsuits

 

[zackmars]

Forensic labs are abundant. Testing is what they do. Being satisfied with anecdotal evidence is unacceptable, there is nothing empirical presented at this time.

And just wondering did the new asswipe running/ ruining SIG have anything to do with older designs?

I'm sure you can just walk into a forensic lab with your sig and they'll just do all the tests you want


The new asswipe has been running sig for the better part of 20 years or so.

 

[Havok1]

There were witnesses who said that it didn't happen that way. Im glad you were there to record the actual truth.

If the SRS fails, and gives way, the fully tensioned striker will fire the gun.

There is a reason why everyone except sig use big durable SRS's in their guns.


There is a reason why everyone except sig isn't having to fight off a bunch of lawsuits

I’m just guessing. It could not have happened the way you’re saying based on what was said in the video. Do you know the witnesses?

and you can’t honestly think sig is the only one who gets sued for this, right?

 

[innominate]

There are multiple ways a striker return spring can fail (especially one as fragile as sigs) it can simply break/snap. It can shrivel up into less than a quarter of it's original length.

This can also be caused by poor sear contact, which is another complaint ive seen leveled at the design. I hate to break it to you, but there's no independent committee that you can just send a gun off to to have it "tested" or "verified". You take it to a real smith that knows about that stuff, they'll tell you to either shove off, or they'll sit on it for months while they work on other stuff.

Until there is some "independent place you can send it off to", you'll just have to be satisfied with people posting pics of crumpled up SRS's, documenting poor sear engagement, the odd ND, and understand that the company ran by the guy who ruined kimber is currently working his way through sig faster than a 12 taco box from taco bell.


Or its all some grand conspiracy that it just so happens, no other current pistol has to deal with.

I understand there isn't an independent body to send these pistols to for testing. And I've seen the pictures and videos. But as far as I know those are not of the pistols in question. I understand that there could be a design problem causing these incidents but you tube videos and forum pictures criticizing a design aren't scientific proof. If it is a design problem it should be repeatable. I'm inferring from your post that you think an attorney looking for a multimillion pay out can't find a gunsmith or armorer to verify a design flaw to prove their case of the know issue.? Have metallurgical tests done on components etc.

The conspiracy theory idea can be argued for both sides of this issue imo. I know you and others here have more firearm knowledge than I do. I just still lean toward people are messing up and looking to blame the tool. I want better scientific proof.