Spoke to a 21 year old biden supporter today!

[Dougw1515]

Maybe. But if anything in this thread was justification to remove me, then I don't want to be here. Doug and I had a pretty good discussion, all things considered, while you stood your ground. It did not seem like you really wanted to critically discuss those perspectives. That is your freedom and I respect it and quite frankly share that sentiment most of the time. In this case, I think it would have been more beneficial for you to give a little and at least entertain what he was trying to say. You may remember, after all, that I jumped in at your defense. Unsolicited, yes, but yours nonetheless.

All of that being said, I am not trying to be a hot head on this forum and I will take your advice in that regard. I will, however, continue to press, challenge, and advocate for real in depth conversation as I do still believe that is the first step to resolving any and all of this bullshit. Hope you have a good say, sir, no hard feelings here.

Axxe desperately wants to be a board "old timer" if you will. He has made the same idle threat/suggestion to others before you. Hang around long enough and he will suggest you are not mentally fit to carry a gun! Ask me how I know these things...

 

[Axxe55]

Moving past the drama.

I have no desires or intentions of discussing anything with people, regardless of age that embrace, support or condone socialist, Marxist, or communist ideology or principles.

How they got there isn't something that concerns me, and I care nothing about trying to reason with them to "educate" them that their thought process' are wrong and flawed and why.

What other people want to do with their time, or energy is entirely their business, but mine is too short and precious for such matters. I won't spend any more time with such people than I do with trying convince anti-gun radicals the failing in their reasoning either.

I had no part in creating this problem, so I feel no obligation on my part in trying to look for a solution to solving the problem. My extent was voting for Trump. A lot of good that did.

 

[tonelar]

Dems:
Trump stole the election with help from Russia.

Also Dems:
How dare you question Biden’s election.


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their hypocrisy is blaringly obvious

 

[Dougw1515]

Last night I was thinking back of other countries, China, Hong Cong, and their citizens fight for democracy and personal freedom. Thoughts returned to the images of Tiananmen Square broadcast in June of 1989. The actions some of those students took in the face of overwhelming power. The image of the student and the tank is indelibly etched in my mind and I suspect in the mind of others on this board. Maybe some of us even thought they had a chance in their struggle for personal freedom and democracy.

Flash forward 3 decades and you get to see the struggle of the Hong Cong people. Same governmental intolerance. Same governmental overwhelming power. Same results.

I know I've watched those events unfold cheering dissidents on from a distance. Took no risk and no direct involvement. Wished'em the best and went back to drinking that beer or washing the truck or whatever. Just didn't give it much though. It was a world away. I didn't need to worry about it. My freedom was secure in the United States of America.

My how the times change. How will our fight for freedom unfold? I'm afraid it is not going to be as simple as waiting 2 years and voting in a new set of elected officials to do our bidding. "Our" bidding is splintered and disjointed and as a result so is the United States of America. WE have never had to fight for our freedom. Those that came before us answered the call. Sure we've been in wars and with the exception of WWII the risk to the U. S. was minimal. During WWI though we remained neutral until 1917 while still providing supplies to our allies the U.S. was not immediately threatened during that war. Not like the dangers we're facing now - internal. But... we have not had to bear arms against our enemies on U.S. soil - ever. Yes... I'm well aware that over the course of U.S. history that does not hold true but, unless there is some desire to simply argue, the crux of what I'm saying holds true for the past - how many generations?

So, how will we respond? Should the military remain in control of the political party in office the power of that is on full display in D.C. as I write this. Will we succumb to the will of the Government as have residents of China and Hong Cong(still being decided). Will we assume the attitude of Axxe55 and many like him and do nothing claiming it's not my problem. Not realizing that eventually it will it will be his problem at which time it may well be too late to alter the trajectory of the Nation.

Reaching out to the opposition voters. The impressionable young adults that don't have the experience nor the education to fully realize, see, the end game. Between drinking the Kool-aide and the smoke and mirrors they have yet to fully understand what transition is taking place here... now. Unfortunately our only hope may be educating and altering the beliefs of the younger voters. Take the time, when it presents its self, to explain what is happening. Tell them "This has happened - whatever "this" is. Then explain what comes next and how. You may not ever see what your words did for that person. You may not be there with them when "next" shows up. But rest assured, just like us with our parents, they will remember and when "next" is reprehensible to them they just might start to believe that even worse things, the things you told them, are coming. At which time they reject that government looking to suppress that which they cherish - freedom.

ETA: I'm not advocating standing on the street corner grabbing folks as they walk by and cramming something/idea down their throats. In day-to-day life "teachable" moments will avail themselves to you. All I'm suggesting is that you do not let those moments pass without taking full advantage of them.

 

[MarkTheNewf]

I have no desires or intentions of discussing anything with people, regardless of age that embrace, support or condone socialist, Marxist, or communist ideology or principles.

I tend to agree. Even when someone of the bent suggests something minutely related to those things, I cut them off, and that usually doesn't take long.

What other people want to do with their time, or energy is entirely their business, but mine is too short and precious for such matters

I'm similar to an almost anarchistic ideal: do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect me. My father always tells me that the world isn't black and white, but mine is, and that has worked for me.

The problem is that what the left does will absolutely and directly affect me. I don't care about or participate identity politics or any of that foolishness so my first reaction to it all is 'whatever'. But it will all spill over into every day life and will subsequently become regulations that more-so impede me which will take my money and grate my calm. Those regulations and rules that they love to enforce are funded via my income. If I try and explain to a derpy 20-something, they don't get it and feel that I'm not being fair. Correct: I don't care, and it shows and THAT is when they get aggressive due to my lack of feelz for everyone. Pfffft.

So, I don't waste effort anymore and just move on. It is what it is and I'll effect what I can with my voting a purchasing power. If things do go south, I had little to do with it.

 

[MarkTheNewf]

Last night I was thinking back of other countries, China, Hong Cong, and their citizens fight for democracy and personal freedom.

Watch "Winter on Fire" as well. It's a documentary on the similar things going on in Ukraine. Those people got some cahonies for sure.

decided). Will we assume the attitude of Axxe55 and many like him and do nothing claiming it's not my problem. Not realizing that eventually it will it will be his problem at which time it may well be too late to alter the trajectory of the Nation.

I think it's more of a momentum and inertia issue. It's not that he or myself doesn't see or feel the need to resist, it's more of what sacrifice is worth it to save those that have pushed it all to this state? Is it worth it? It's like trying to put out the fire that some dummy started by smoking in bed; even if he doesn't die in the fire, you may get hurt rescuing him only to have him continue the habit. Eventually he'll die in another fire or from lung disease. Was it worth it? You could argue that he may go on living and do great things, but....meh. I don't have that much faith.

Reaching out to the opposition voters. The impressionable young adults that don't have the experience nor the education to fully realize, see, the end game. Between drinking the Kool-aide and the smoke and mirrors they have yet to fully understand what transition is taking place here... now. Unfortunately our only hope may be educating and altering the beliefs of the younger voters. Take the time, when it presents its self, to

That's ideal, but you're trying to reverse their lifetime of input with a few increments of your input. They've been literally marinating in it all their lives so changing that, outside of some traumatic event, is improbable. Best to move on to the more reasonable folks.

things you told them, are coming. At which time they reject that government looking to suppress that which they cherish - freedom.

And there's the problem: they're too used to it and don't know it any other way. They don't mind mandates and whatever because that's just government taking care of things like government is supposed to. They're very comfortable and don't have to worry about such things such as that freedom thing since they've never really had it taken away.

You make good points and I think your positivity is good, but I think there's a lot of folks that just aren't worth the time and effort. It maybe that I just turned 50 not too long ago and my 'crusty old fart' gene kicked in as well! I just wanna get to retirement and enjoy it. Sheesh.

 

[TreyG-20]

Some of ya'll need to get off the internet and go shoot.

 

[Lonesome Dove]

I have never knowingly held conversation with a democrat and Never will.

 

[Dougw1515]

Some of ya'll need to get off the internet and go shoot.

Yup... before you're declared "Domestic Terrorist" and your guns are confiscated!

 

[jrbfishn]

Some of you think it is not your place to teach others. Especially those you don't consider "yours" or "beyond learning". You may want to consider-

Nobody is beyond learning but the dead.
Some have failed to teach what freedom really is. Or chosen not to. Or they chose not to learn.
That leaves others to do so. Either way, that leaves us with two choices.
Either try to enlighten them now with words.
Or later at the point of a gun.

Personally, I would prefer option one. If I am alive when option two comes, I would prefer to not have to shoot at any of my family. Or my friends.

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[jamesmrj]

For myself, I have had lots of conversations with liberals and with conservatives on politics there are some on both sides that can and will hold reasoned conversations. Others will not or cannot listen or reason. Hell, my wife is a conservative, but she mostly reacts and "reasons" based on emotion. My policy is to educate where I can and ask questions to make people think, but I also will not waste my time on those who will not listen to reason.

I think there is something in the Bible about casting pearls before swine...

 

[Dougw1515]

Thanks.... I suppose I implied rather than stated. My efforts are directed towards those willing to listen and consider. If their minds made up far be it from me to attempt to use facts to get'em to change their mind! Addionally... I never expect a response like "Damn, I didn't know that! Hell no I won't vote that way again!" My approach is more like a can of PB Blaster gotta soak awhile before it works!

 

[bbbass]

I consider hardcore leftists that won't have a reasoned discussion about ideas to be enemies of the state.

Enemies of the state must be defeated. At the ballot box, in the media, in our universities/colleges/schools, and everywhere else they are found. But the outlook and possibility for such looks bleak!!

 

[Brewgones]

Was over at a customers house finishing up a kitchen remodel. This customers 21 year old granddaughter was there. Grandma' said "She voted Biden" and that's how the fight started.... LOL... kidding on the fighting part. As I was working we'd discuss the issues of the day. I ask her if she thought the elections were fair and honest. "I don't know?" Kid speak for "Probably not". I told her she should be very, very afraid of the cancel culture taking over our country "I AM!" she stated. I asked her if she thought Biden would actually complete his term in office. "Dunno" was the reply. We talked some about the election and some of the qualifiers that suggest fraud may have played a role in determining the outcome. She said "Could be, maybe." Then I asked her: Knowing what you know today, with the possibility of sufficient fraud during the election and the cancel culture making free speech selective speech based on your affiliation with privileged groups . And you know now that and the other thing's we've discussed if the election were held today who would you vote for "Biden, Probably!" she replied. She attends college in Jackson, MS.

My oldest niece has been in the Biden camp for almost a year. Always quick to let our entire family know just how racist and wrong we are to be Trump supporters. She woke up a couple of weeks ago and apologized for being so wrong. All I could say was we tried to tell you kid. Smh.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

My oldest niece has been in the Biden camp for almost a year. Always quick to let our entire family know just how racist and wrong we are to be Trump supporters. She woke up a couple of weeks ago and apologized for being so wrong. All I could say was we tried to tell you kid. Smh.

I wonder what caused this?

 

[MarkTheNewf]

Some of ya'll need to get off the internet and go shoot.

Engineer working from home. Computer running some fang-dangled structural simulation, so I have breaks. The boss would probalby frown on me leaving to go pew-pew during that. It is tempting, though.

 

[Axxe55]

 

[alwho421]

Thirst for water and drink the sand. They drink the kool aid of the mass media because they think that is all there is. Crap on the left crap on the right is all there is? We need more options, is a land that promotes and claims diversity left crap or right crap is the only reasonable choices?

 

[Axxe55]

 

[phoenix]

Great example of why democrats like young voters. A basic civics test would disqualify quite a bit of the democrat electorate. Actually having to know your candidates stand on issues would as well. I actually almost got into a shouting match over some dizzy (lady) thinking biden is pro life since he is catholic.