"States for Gun Safety" Coalition Bands to Protect American Citizens

[Ole Cowboy]

Well, finally, gonna get straight, solid, unfiltered, honest answers on guns did I also say the Cindy Crawford is starting on Monday as our new maid and my wife wants to just go shopping on those days but wants me to keep an eye on here while she is here.



Seven governors launch effort to study gun violence
"States for Gun Safety" Coalition Bands to Protect American Citizens

Governors from the states of New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Delaware, and Puerto Rico came together in February, 2018 to form the “States for Gun Safety” coalition, and announced Wednesday that they will attempt to bridge the gap in federal research surrounding gunviolence, citing frustration with the federal government as their motivating factor.

The federal government’s continued inaction on this issue has not only allowed the epidemic of gun violence to spread, but it has left it to the states to provide the leadership needed to confront this problem head-on,” New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said in a press release.

“The consortium is a major step in our multi-state partnership to research responsible gun safety legislation and take new steps to prevent illegal guns from crossing state lines.

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/04/3...ent=2018-05-03&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

 

[AustinN4]

Gag!

 

[Ole Cowboy]

Gag!

Yea Gov Cuomo, now there is a straight shooter

 

[MTA]

Well if their constituents would stop killing people, there would be no "gun" problem

 

[Vaquero]

I hope they include Chicago research.
And D.C. and their own little shitholes.

I'm really getting tired of being lied to.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Well, finally, gonna get straight, solid, unfiltered, honest answers on guns did I also say the Cindy Crawford is starting on Monday as our new maid and my wife wants to just go shopping on those days but wants me to keep an eye on here while she is here.



Seven governors launch effort to study gun violence
"States for Gun Safety" Coalition Bands to Protect American Citizens

Governors from the states of New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Delaware, and Puerto Rico came together in February, 2018 to form the “States for Gun Safety” coalition, and announced Wednesday that they will attempt to bridge the gap in federal research surrounding gunviolence, citing frustration with the federal government as their motivating factor.

The federal government’s continued inaction on this issue has not only allowed the epidemic of gun violence to spread, but it has left it to the states to provide the leadership needed to confront this problem head-on,” New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) said in a press release.

“The consortium is a major step in our multi-state partnership to research responsible gun safety legislation and take new steps to prevent illegal guns from crossing state lines.

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2018/04/3...ent=2018-05-03&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

I'll volunteer to help you watch Cindy.

 

[Southpaw]

Well if their constituents would stop killing people, there would be no "gun" problem

Zing!!!!

 

[Sam7sf]

I hope they include Chicago research.
And D.C. and their own little shitholes.

I'm really getting tired of being lied to.

100 percent this. Chicago is proof of not only gun control lies but how democrats bs the poor communities into keeping it going. I use Chicago as an example a lot when I debate folks on the left.

 

[busykngt]

Well, you can rest assured, with Cuomo leading this “coalition”, you’re going to get nothing but lies. The outcome has been predetermined; the only thing left now to do, is ‘back fit’ the data to justify the anti-gun conclusions that have already been reached. It’s the Democrats’ version of “the scientific method”.... tell us what conclusion you want and we’ll twist the statistics to get there!

 

[RoadRunner]

2A is under attack now, like never before. If gun owners don't get off their asses and fight back we are going to lose this fight.

 

[Vaquero]

Define "fight".

 

[RoadRunner]

Define "fight".

Support the pro-gun organizations. I don't mean just join a couple of organizations. I mean recruit other people to join. Contact your Senators, Representative and the President and try to get other people to do the same, frequently. Not just once and done.

Take a kid shooting and teach them about guns and how important it is to protect our freedoms.

Go to every pro-gun rally that you are able to attend and take someone with you. If you are able to, organize your own pro-gun rally.

Get out and vote in the primaries as well as the general election. Encourage other like-minded people to vote. Take someone with you to the polls.

Try to educate other people.

 

[Darkpriest667]

The FBI already has the statistics.. I'm not sure why they want to study them more... 1) Suicides outrank murders as causes of gun death 2) An Automobile is far more likely to kill you than a firearm 3) 6.3% of the population commits 54% of the murders... What exactly is difficult about this? Oh, that's right those facts don't fit with their agenda.

Here's the relevant info (2017 has not been fully released yet.)

Weapons type - https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

Weapons type justifiable homicide - https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Weapons type by state - https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12

Offender demographic table - https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-2.xls

Race, Ethnicity, and Sex of Victim by Race, Ethnicity, and Sex of Offender, - https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

 

[Younggun]

Well, you can rest assured, with Cuomo leading this “coalition”, you’re going to get nothing but lies. The outcome has been predetermined; the only thing left now to do, is ‘back fit’ the data to justify the anti-gun conclusions that have already been reached. It’s the Democrats’ version of “the scientific method”.... tell us what conclusion you want and we’ll twist the statistics to get there!

That's what happens when critical theory takes the place of the Socratic method.

You know longer have to search for the truth, just evidence to support what you already think.

 

[pronstar]

What is this federal inaction they speak of?


Obama Administration Study:
https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1

Key takeaways:

1. More guns have had an impact on a lower level of violent crimes committed (Throughout, constantly citing an increase in gun ownership while violent crime rates are dropping)

2. over 500,000 (and up to 3 million) crimes prevented or deterred by the presence of a gun. (page 15) [that is in comparison to approx 3,000 annual firearm deaths not attributed gang-related crime, and suicides]

3. an armed individual is less likely to be seriously injured in an incident than an unarmed individual. (page 18)

4. Gun control has no correlation to lower gun crime. (page 44-45)

5. there is no correlation between violent video games, and violence perpetrated in real life. (page 62)


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[AustinN4]

Yea Gov Cuomo, now there is a straight shooter

And he wants to be your president!

 

[pronstar]

The only gap in federal gun studies, are those that are predisposed to promote “gun control”.

This is what the Dickey Amendment prevented - biased studies. It didn’t limit firearm studies as the left will have us believe.

The CDC literally tried to get studies to support their predetermined goal to “…to reduce the number of handguns in private ownership”, starting with a 25% reduction by the turn of the century.”

And by it's own admission, they took a stance against gun ownership and produced biased studies and reports to support the predetermined objective of promoting gun control.

"We’re going to systematically build a case that owning firearms causes deaths. We’re doing the most we can do, given the political realities. - P.W. O’Carroll, Acting Section Head of Division of Injury Control, CDC, quoted in Marsha F. Goldsmith, “Epidemiologists Aim at New Target: Health Risk of Handgun Proliferation,” Journal of the American Medical Association vol. 261 no. 5, February 3, 1989, pp. 675-76.

"In 1979 the American public health community adopted the "objective to reduce the number of handguns in private ownership," the initial target being a 25% reduction by the year 2000.

Based on studies, and propelled by leadership from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the objective has broadened so that it now includes banning and confiscation of all handguns, restrictive licensing of owners of other firearms, and eventual elimination of firearms from American life, excepting (perhaps) only a small elite of extremely wealthy collectors, hunters, or target shooters. This is the case in many European countries."



In fact, the CDC *does* investigate firearms:


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6230a1.htm
http://dhss.delaware.gov/dhss/dms/files/cdcgunviolencereport10315.pdf

http://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/2011-0069-3140.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm.




But why would the US Congress feel so compelled to implement such a specific measure? As the aforementioned quote mentioned the CDC, they were rigging the game to provide the desired result.

And there's plenty of other US government agencies that do gun related research including the FBI and the DoJ.


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[pronstar]

...and since the CDC can’t provide biased studies, it chooses to not make public those studies which support gun ownership.

http://reason.com/blog/2018/04/20/cdc-provides-more-evidence-that-plenty-o

Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck conducted the most thorough previously known survey data on the question in the 1990s. His study, which has been harshly disputed in pro-gun-control quarters, indicated that there were more than 2.2 million such defensive uses of guns (DGUs) in America a year.

Now Kleck has unearthed some lost CDC survey data on the question. The CDC essentially confirmed Kleck's results. But Kleck didn't know about that until now, because the CDC never reported what it found.

Kleck further details how much these CDC surveys confirmed his own controversial work:

The final adjusted prevalence of 1.24% therefore implies that in an average year during 1996–1998, 2.46 million U.S. adults used a gun for self-defense. This estimate, based on an enormous sample of 12,870 cases (unweighted) in a nationally representative sample, strongly confirms the 2.5 million past-12-months estimate obtained Kleck and Gertz (1995)....CDC's results, then, imply that guns were used defensively by victims about 3.6 times as often as they were used offensively by criminals.

For those who wonder exactly how purely scientific CDC researchers are likely to be about issues of gun violence that implicate policy, Kleck notes that "CDC never reported the results of those surveys, does not report on their website any estimates of DGU frequency, and does not even acknowledge that they ever asked about the topic in any of their surveys."


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[Southpaw]

From 2013, but I suppose some things just never change.

Despite national attention to the issue of firearm violence, most Americans are unaware that gun crime is lower today than it was two decades ago. According to a new Pew Research Center survey, today 56% of Americans believe gun crime is higher than 20 years ago and only 12% think it is lower.

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/

Thank you pron and priest for the posted links. Lots of good reference material in there.
I've been meaning to look up the latest stats from the FBI as they have been throwing around the word "epidemic" for a while and logically you would expect that word to be used with record breaking numbers and such.

 

[Ole Cowboy]

And he wants to be your president!

Hey, NOT mine, you live Austin, not me LOL.

My wife who had barely ever been to Texas let alone live here, when we moved here. One weekend we went to Austin. She said WOW, what a pretty place, the hills the city, lakes, then she turned to me and asked why did we not move to Austin? I just told her it did not jive with my political views and my F 350 Dually will barely drive down most of the streets.