Straw Purchase ??

Discussion in 'Gun Legislation' started by 2Many, Dec 19, 2009.

  1. 2Many

    2Many New Member

    Sep 18, 2008
    Dripping Springs, TX
    I have a question about what would be an illegal sale.

    Scenario is this :
    I Want to sell a handgun FTF in TX.
    Potential buyer contacts me and wants me to ship.
    I pass on the offer because I don't want the hassle.
    Potential buyer then says he has a stepson in TX who can buy it for him.

    The question:
    Assuming the I have no reson to believe that the stepson cant buy or own a handgun in TX, is this scenario an illegal sale as a straw purchase?

    I appreciate any input.

  2. Ranger60

    Ranger60 Active Member

    Mar 28, 2008
    Welll, since you "know" it is for someone other than the purchaser, then by definition it is a "straw" purchase.

    When I was dealer, I had a customer fail NICS, offered to have his son do the buy, I refused, even though the person was well known to me, he later cleared the "problem" and made the purchase.

    Now, that is from a dealer standpoint, I am not sure what the ruling would be on a private sale, assuming you believe the purchaser to be legally able to own a handgun in Texas.

    At the very minimum, should you go through with this, would be to get a bill of sale and a copy of the purchaser's Driver's License.
  3. DCortez

    DCortez TGT Addict

    Jan 28, 2009
    Houston, Cy-Fair
    If it doesn't smell 100% right, I'd walk. Unless you are wealthy and have nothing better to do than pay lawyers, sit in a courtroom, and possibly be the apple of some inmate's eye.
  4. texas_teacher

    texas_teacher Well-Known

    Feb 14, 2009
    South Korea
  5. rsayloriii

    rsayloriii TGT Addict

    May 11, 2009
    H-Town, TX
    Strongly agree ... don't do it if you're not 100% sure about it.
  6. majormadmax

    majormadmax TGT Addict

    Aug 27, 2009
    San Antonio!
    OK, let's think this out...but I'm not a lawyer so just take it as one person's breakdown of the situation...

    First, a straw purchase is "any purchase whereby the purchaser is knowingly acquiring an item or service for someone who is, for whatever reason, unable to purchase the item or service themselves."

    So if the reason they are having someone else buy is not because they are unable to, but because you aren't willing to ship it, is not the same thing!

    Therefore, either way I don't think it is a straw purchase on your account as for one, you were not purchasing the firearm but selling it; and as long as you are selling it to a legitimate buyer, you are good to go.

    It is only a straw purchase for the buyer if they intended to sell or give it to someone who is not legally to own the weapon.

    However, if they bought it with the intent to legally ship/sell it to someone in another state and who is legally able to own firearms, and were only doing so because you did not want to ship it, I believe then it would not be a stray purchase.

    Regardless of it all, I would always avoid any sale that makes you uncomfortable!
  7. Dawico

    Dawico TGT Addict

    Oct 15, 2009
    Lampasas, Texas
    Is the buyer out of state or not a resident of Texas? I think that is important information. Or is it just the fact that you don't want to ship, like from El Paso to Houston?
  8. biglucky

    biglucky Well-Known TGT Supporter

    Feb 3, 2009
    Dripping Springs, TX
    Are you an FFL? If not does a straw purchase provision even apply to you? Just ask the person buying the gun from you if they are legally able to own and purchase a firearm. If they say yes then you are covered. I mean I am not a lawyer..... but never before these forums have I ever seen so many people try so hard not so sell something that they wanted to sell....
  9. 2Many

    2Many New Member

    Sep 18, 2008
    Dripping Springs, TX
    Well I passed on this deal but to answer Dawico's question. The person who contacted me to buy is out of state. When I reaffirmed may advertised statement that I wanted to do a FTF only, he offered his stepson who is in TX as the buyer.

    I have no reason to believe that either the original contact or his stepson is ineligible. But in all of the reading I have done on this subject I have not seen anything to make me feel like it wasn't possible for me to be unknowingly committing a technical violation of the law. I jumped out here looking for a warm, fuzzy and haven't found it so I passed on the offer.
  10. Hawghauler

    Hawghauler Active Member

    Oct 5, 2009


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