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  • Darkpriest667

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    Follow the conversation. My argument is that US government declarations on Syria demand skepticism due their intelligence failures in Iraq, especially when the current Syria chemical weapon claims have even less proof than the Iraq WMD charade.

    Did you join this forum just to argue about the Syrian Civil War? Not attacking, just curious you say you're a refugee from Oregon (living in Austin ironically,) but you act like you're still there. Maybe in Oregon you were considered a conservative or even a moderate, but here you're showing some extremely media influenced bias.


    A few things, first we did find weaponized chemical weapons in Iraq, the United States house Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence release some classified reports that said troops in theater recovered over 500 shells of mustard gas, many of which were degraded but still harmed the troops that found them. By 2014 even the liberal (little l not big L I assume you know the difference) New York Times said that there had been more than 5000 weapons recovered and that servicemen (some of whom I know personally) had been exposed during disposal and destruction.

    Fast forward to 2009. Against all advice from military commanders Obama gives the ok to draw down in Iraq of combat personnel. Elements from Ansar al-Islam begin migrating to Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Syria from Iraq. Thanks to weak interference they begin revolutions in several countries. In Syria they go hard line and transform into Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham now known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. Chemical weapons that were transferred from Iraq during the war (Obama's own Intelligence director admitted as such in 2003) to Syria were first used on populations in April of 2014 and March of 2015 with the UN fact finding missions saying that there were at least 4 other previous cases (still classified but put on your credentials and go find out what happened for us.) That's not the US intelligence community saying it, that's the UN group that is tasked in finding chemical weapon usage saying it. So your argument about US intelligence failures is a mute point here.

    So Mr. Cornell, I'm not sure what the hell you're getting at here, but the CWC (Chemical Weapons Convention) signed in 1993 by 192 countries INCLUDING SYRIA has been violated multiple times. Should we be going in there and interfering? As a Libertarian I say probably not, but if we are going to be sticking our wee wee in the middle east we should be going in full force in the event Chemical weapons are used.


    Feel free to use ad hominem attacks on me as you have others in the thread, but I'd tread lightly here. Gun owners tend to be some of the most polite and kind people I've met, but intentionally stirring up a rattlesnake nest seems like an unintelligent and UNEDUCATED thing to do.
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    dmancornell

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    Just bringing levity to a very Syrias thread

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    satx78247

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    I hit the ignore button (for the FIRST time, ever), as I don't have time for LEFTIST MORONS and/or self-important FOOLS.

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    dmancornell

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    Did you join this forum just to argue about the Syrian Civil War? Not attacking, just curious you say you're a refugee from Oregon (living in Austin ironically,) but you act like you're still there. Maybe in Oregon you were considered a conservative or even a moderate, but here you're showing some extremely media influenced bias.

    Facts and the need for debate don't depend on geography. Gun grabbers are just as wrong in California as in Texas. The Iraq WMD intelligence was a charade in the entirety of the known universe.

    A few things, first we did find weaponized chemical weapons in Iraq, the United States house Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence release some classified reports that said troops in theater recovered over 500 shells of mustard gas,

    Already addressed, what they found does not constitute an active WMD program, only remnants of forgotten stock from the first Gulf War that were left to rot. In fact, their chemical impotence proves the non-existence of an active program that would maintain the shells.

    Fast forward to 2009. Against all advice from military commanders Obama gives the ok to draw down in Iraq of combat personnel. Elements from Ansar al-Islam begin migrating to Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Syria from Iraq. Thanks to weak interference they begin revolutions in several countries. In Syria they go hard line and transform into Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham now known as Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant. Chemical weapons that were transferred from Iraq during the war (Obama's own Intelligence director admitted as such in 2003) to Syria were first used on populations in April of 2014 and March of 2015 with the UN fact finding missions saying that there were at least 4 other previous cases (still classified but put on your credentials and go find out what happened for us.) That's not the US intelligence community saying it, that's the UN group that is tasked in finding chemical weapon usage saying it. So your argument about US intelligence failures is a mute point here.

    Firstly, who is using these chemical weapons, Assad or the rebels? Secondly, none of the UN fact-finding missions stated anything regarding the origin of the chemical weapons used in Syria, their only conclusion is that they were likely used by someone (no statement on Assad or the rebels). None of the UN groups got close enough to do any detailed investigation on the origins. You can find all their reports here: https://www.opcw.org/special-sections/syria/the-fact-finding-mission/

    So Mr. Cornell, I'm not sure what the hell you're getting at here, but the CWC (Chemical Weapons Convention) signed in 1993 by 192 countries INCLUDING SYRIA has been violated multiple times. Should we be going in there and interfering? As a Libertarian I say probably not, but if we are going to be sticking our wee wee in the middle east we should be going in full force in the event Chemical weapons are used.

    The argument is whether Assad even used chemical weapons to begin with, because I'm fairly certain the rebels didn't sign the CWC. Which Islamist non-CWC-signatory faction is the CIA and Pentagon supporting now in Syria?

    Feel free to use ad hominem attacks on me as you have others in the thread, but I'd tread lightly here. Gun owners tend to be some of the most polite and kind people I've met, but intentionally stirring up a rattlesnake nest seems like an unintelligent and UNEDUCATED thing to do.

    When did I use ad hominem attacks? Cite an example. Questioning someone else's qualifications is not an ad hominem.
     
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    satx78247

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    It’s a slippery slope after the first one. I went from none to 11 people in a few weeks.

    TXStetson,

    Fwiw, I've "ignored" a total of about FIVE people (on all of the forums that I belong to, combined) in a decade, as I'm PLEASED to debate THOUGHTS/theories/politics with people but have a hard time dealing with TROLLS, KNOWING LIARS, NITWITS, BIGOTS, HATERS & outright FOOLS. = That was "the problem" with the ONE member that I've ignored on TGT.

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    toddnjoyce

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    None of us currently posting about this will have to worry about paying for it, but I wonder how all this money spent will affect my grandson's tax burden.

    Won’t do much at all to his tax burden. Social security and Medicare will, though. Those two combined eat up close to 60% of the federal budget.
     
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