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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Posted - 05/19/2008 : 23:34:21[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]http://folsomtelegraph.com/detail/84466.html[/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Talking About Constitution Gets Student Accused Of "Terror and Espionage" [/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Posted by: bruceontheloose [/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]East Texas pastor threatened by anonymous men in dark suits for giving talk to Boy Scouts about bill of rights [/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]A student of a large bible college in east Texas was accused by federal agents of committing an "act of terror and espionage" after he gave a talk to a group of Boy Scouts in which he encouraged them to educate themselves about the U.S. constitution. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Jeff, who wishes to remain anonymous at present, is a student of the college and an interim pastor of a small church in Mount Vernon, Texas. He appeared today as a guest on the Alex Jones Show to relate what took place. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]As part of his duties as an advisor in the college office, Jeff was tasked with the role of giving a short speech and a tour to a group of Boy Scouts that were visiting the college, with a focus on how patriotism and liberty are emphasized in the teaching style of the university. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Jeff said he told the boys, "It's going to be you who is going to take this country and either make or break it - you need to get back to your constitution, you need to get to know your bill of rights and you need to stand up for them." [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Jeff also mentioned that the freedoms enumerated in the bill of rights were fast being usurped by the government and he briefly talked about the USA Patriot Act. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]"I said they're stripping us of what we know to be America, what you need to do is re-orient yourself to the constitution because that is the very founding basis of our government and it is the supreme law of the land," he added. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The next day Jeff was called into the main administrative office of the university where he was met by college officials and two men wearing dark suits and sunglasses who did not identify themselves. A state trooper was also guarding the door to make sure everyone stayed inside the office. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Jeff was asked by the men if he talked to the Boy Scouts about the constitution the previous day. Jeff was then shown a transcript of what he said and asked to fill in the blanks. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]"I saw the transcript of what I said and every word that those boys had said," stated Jeff. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Jeff speculated that the recording of his talk with the Boy Scouts may have been made by a scout master who looked like a Marine that was taking the tour with Jeff. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]After asking the men where they were from, Jeff was told he was committing "acts of terror and espionage" by talking to the Boy Scouts about the constitution and the bill of rights. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Jeff was unable to ascertain exactly where the feds were from but university officials later indicated that DHS (Department of Homeland Security) and the FBI were involved. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Jeff said that the two men told him, "If you say anything, do anything, continue to talk about these kind of things, we can have your head on a silver platter and the University's head on a silver platter and all the programs they've got going on." [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Jeff said that a high level college official who was present during the meeting, himself an ex-Marine Vietnam veteran, was extremely nervous and "shaking" as Jeff was being lectured by the two men. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]"I went to my room and I broke down in tears," said Jeff after the meeting was finished, "That's it - our country's gone," he added. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]To have secret police threatening bible college students for talking about the constitution is the most disturbing and un-American scenario one can possibly imagine, but it's not a new phenomenon. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]This is just the latest shocking example of how federal agents and authorities across America are targeting people who discuss the U.S. constitution and the bill of rights and accusing them of engaging in political terrorism. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Alex Jones' 2001 documentary film 9/11: The Road to Tyranny featured footage from a FEMA symposium given to firefighters and other emergency personnel in Kansas City in which it was stated that the founding fathers, Christians and homeschoolers were terrorists and should be treated with the utmost suspicion and brutality in times of national emergency. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]The lecturer identifies George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers as "terrorists". [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]In 2001, housewife Abbey Newman was assaulted and arrested by police at a checkpoint for exercising her 4th amendment right. Cops looked through literature which included a copy of a pocket constitution and debated whether or not the material was illegal. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]In 2004, Kelly Rushing was charged with making "terroristic threats" after he handed out Alex Jones' videos and recordings of a Congressman Ron Paul speech on C-Span to Lyon County, Kentucky officials and Kentucky State Trooper Lewis Dobbs. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]A jury later ruled in favor of Rushing but he continues to be harassed by authorities and local law enforcement. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]In October last year a Michigan man was harassed, handcuffed, assaulted, branded "unpatriotic" and subjected to an unconstitutional search of his vehicle during which drugs were allegedly planted, before being ticketed by a police officer for the apparent crime of freely distributing DVD's about 9/11 truth. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]We have highlighted previous training manuals issued by state and federal government bodies which identify whole swathes of the population as potential terrorists. A Texas Department of Public Safety Criminal Law Enforcement pamphlet gives the public characteristics to identify terrorists that include buying baby formula, beer, wearing Levi jeans, carrying identifying documents like a drivers license and traveling with women or children. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]A Virginia training manual used to help state employees recognize terrorists lists anti-government and property rights activists as terrorists and includes binoculars, video cameras, paper pads and notebooks in a compendium of terrorist tools. [/FONT]
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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Shortly after 9/11 a Phoenix FBI manual that was disseminated amongst federal employees at the end of the Clinton administration's term in office caused waves on the Internet after it was revealed that potential terrorists included, "defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN, " and individuals who "make numerous references to the US Constitution."


    To have secret police and federal authorities target people who discuss the very document that they swore an oath to uphold and protect is a chilling prospect and rivals anything that was a pre-cursor to Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia.


    The precedent of treating a knowledge of the U.S. constitution and the bill of rights as suspicious and possibly a sign of terrorism can only be linked to careful preparations for martial law which are now public.


    A shocking KSLA news report last summer confirmed the story we first broke in 2006, that Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.


    In May 2006, we exposed the existence of a nationwide FEMA program which is training tens of thousands of Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.


    A whistleblower who was secretly enrolled into the program told us that the feds were clandestinely recruiting religious leaders to help implement Homeland Security directives in anticipation of a potential bio-terrorist attack, any natural disaster or a nationally declared emergency.


    The first directive was for Pastors to preach to their congregations Romans 13, the often taken out of context bible passage that was used by Hitler to hoodwink Christians into supporting him, in order to teach them to "obey the government" when martial law is declared

    It was related to the Pastors that quarantines, martial law and forced relocation were a problem for state authorities when enforcing federal mandates due to the "cowboy mentality" of citizens standing up for their property and second amendment rights as well as farmers defending their crops and livestock from seizure.


    It was stressed that the Pastors needed to preach subservience to the authorities ahead of time in preparation for the round-ups and to make it clear to the congregation that "this is for their own good."


    Pastors were told that they would be backed up by law enforcement in controlling uncooperative individuals and that they would even lead SWAT teams in attempting to quell resistance.


    The chilling preparations for martial law and the targeting of Americans who merely talk about the U.S. constitution should act as a wake-up call and prompt more people in different levels of authority throughout religious and educational establishments to go public and expose similar examples of this unfolding tyranny.


    [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]5th Generation TEXAN
    12th Generation American (sailed over before 1600)

    [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Edited by - zaraster on 05/19/2008 23:35:23[/FONT]
     

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    While I don't doubt that there are always incidences occurring around the country where an individual's or everyone's rights get usurped in some way, I have also learned to take anything from Alex Jones or on his show with a grain of salt.

    http://alexjonesexposed.blogspot.com/

    I can't locate the audio clip right now but, I heard a clip not to long ago from a December, I believe, 1999 broadcast of his show. He actually claimed that Russia had already launched Nukes at us, and he was spewing some mumbo jumbo about Austin streets filling up with military vehicles and that "camps" were being setup to hold any troublemakers (basically saying that Austin was under Martial Law), etc etc. It was a bunch of mindless fear-mongering basically taking advantage of the whole Y2K fiasco. Oh, and I sh*t you not about the nuke thing. I could not believe it when I heard it but, he actually said that Russia had just launched nukes at us. He did a quick segway on to a few other short comments and quickly cut to a commercial break right after that though. One would think discussion of a launch of nukes in this day and age would warrant skipping a commercial break. ;) While he may raise some good points about some things, and I may even agree with him about various subjects, I have heard him bend the truth, ignore facts, and flat out lie from time to time. I look for my actual facts and news elsewhere, though he is kind of entertaining to listen to as he is a pretty decent speaker and has a lot of bravado when speaking.
     

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    thanks for the input . I tryed to check out the story before posting but could not find anything.
    It does seem a little far fetched but worth taking a look at. With nafta and north American trade union talk I would not be surprized
     

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    I never heard about the nuke attack incident mentioned and would be extremely curious to hear. I also do not agree with everything he has to say but have found his information to generally be verifiable from outside sources such as traditional media and government websites.

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    I'll try to find that audio clip Chris. Yeah, I heard mention of it and didn't believe it because I wouldn't think anyone would so blatantly lie about something like that. When I heard it I was pretty shocked. Maybe he was being sarcastic or something and I didn't catch on but, his tone of voice at the time did not portray sarcasm. As opposed to blatant lies though, more often then not I think he just tends to get caught up in the moment and over-exaggerate on things a bit. Though I also think he hits on some good points sometimes too.
     

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    http://community.myfoxhouston.com/blogs/tre_tigger/2008/05/19/TerrorEspionageand_The_Constitution

    Here is something on fox news houston
    I can not find any creadable sources or a transcript

    That's basically what you already posted, and like the source is essentially a blog. Oriignal URL cites Prison Planet - not exactly a reputable news source...

    That passage is full of weasel words intended to rile up most readers, and I have trouble believing that a student was lassoed by law enforcement for talking about such an uncontroversial subject as the Constitution. The anonymous victim, the unidentified bible college, and the paranoid conspiracy-theory lunacy ... it just stretches credibility.
     

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    I'll try to find that audio clip Chris. Yeah, I heard mention of it and didn't believe it because I wouldn't think anyone would so blatantly lie about something like that. When I heard it I was pretty shocked. Maybe he was being sarcastic or something and I didn't catch on but, his tone of voice at the time did not portray sarcasm. As opposed to blatant lies though, more often then not I think he just tends to get caught up in the moment and over-exaggerate on things a bit. Though I also think he hits on some good points sometimes too.

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