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  • MadMo44Mag

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    As a former outsider looking in, Texas has been in the process of cultural secession for years in my opinion. Funny thing is, TV and movies have reinforced this from the other side, making much of the rest of the nation support the move for different reasons.

    It was easy to spot a liberal right before I left CA. I'd say that I was moving to Texas, and they'd say "Texas!? Why Texas?" as if I'd told them that kitty rocha was a tasty treat.

    Texas is really under-valued, misunderstood and underestimated in the more socialist areas of the nation. I bet they'd be happy with our seceding... for about as long as it took to realize what comforts they'd be missing out on because of it.

    Hmmmmmmmmm, Sage you may have a valid point there.
    After reading your post I kinda dawned on me what I have read from non Texas posters on other forums.
    I'll keep this in mind and study on it awhile.
    Good point!!!!;)
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    If Texas were to secede we would lose our military, the U S constitution and our safety net financially. The troops would pull or start shooting Mexico and many other country's would go straight for the throat. If we made past the first year or two we might have a chance but we would be almost defenceless during that first year, except for small militias armed with deer rifles and shotguns. Like I said there is a chance we would make it but we would need every last bit of our fire power and the men/women to keep the triggers moving.
     

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    If Texas were to secede we would lose our military, the U S constitution and our safety net financially. The troops would pull or start shooting Mexico and many other country's would go straight for the throat. If we made past the first year or two we might have a chance but we would be almost defenceless during that first year, except for small militias armed with deer rifles and shotguns. Like I said there is a chance we would make it but we would need every last bit of our fire power and the men/women to keep the triggers moving.
    I'm not too sure abut that Big C.
    The US may pull their military out but more likely a deal would be stuck between the Texas Republic and the US Fed.
    The bases in our state have some strategic and logistical value; so it would make no sense to pull up stakes and move. Secondly, move where???
    Also Texas supplies and refines a large amount of gasoline and the Fed would need to strike a deal there as well.
    So all in all, I don't think things would change much as far as day to day living goes. Our relationship with the Fed would be what mainly changes.
    If you look at what resources this state has we can become self sufficient pretty easily in a relatively short time.
    Montana and other states are land locked and have few resources or at least in comparison to Texas.
    I'm not saying it would be easy but it wold be doable!
     

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    If Texas were to secede we would lose our military, the U S constitution and our safety net financially. The troops would pull or start shooting Mexico and many other country's would go straight for the throat. If we made past the first year or two we might have a chance but we would be almost defenceless during that first year, except for small militias armed with deer rifles and shotguns. Like I said there is a chance we would make it but we would need every last bit of our fire power and the men/women to keep the triggers moving.

    We have more well armed Texas Sharpshooters than any three nations have military men.

    Their Union is bankrupt, and will have to live that way.

    Our Republic of Texas is solvent, and one of the world's few Nations that is.

    The biggest problem we would have is where to house all the Patriots that would flee the Union to settle here.

    I guess they could live in the abandoned housing freed up from the deported criminal aliens, at least to start off with.
     

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    We have more well armed Texas Sharpshooters than any three nations have military men.

    Their Union is bankrupt, and will have to live that way.

    Our Republic of Texas is solvent, and one of the world's few Nations that is.

    The biggest problem we would have is where to house all the Patriots that would flee the Union to settle here.

    I guess they could live in the abandoned housing freed up from the deported criminal aliens, at least to start off with.
    See here folks, we have the makings of fine Republic!!!
    I.m already liking the idea better!
     

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    I am not sure I follow your post. If I wish to stay with the union I should be careful what I wish for?
    You are correct in that the current administration will in no way adhere to the constitution. But I don't believe that a state should secede because our guy lost the presidential election. The pendulum tends to swing far one way and then the other. I do fear that we have slowly let our rights become eroded to the point that we are now too impotent to do anything about it. I hope that history proves me wrong. But most talk about the south in 1860 and talk about seccesion today and there are few if any parellels. I believe that secession IS legal, just poorly advised.

    My Ancestors fought for our Liberty from the Federal Beast which had trampled upon the Rights of Man and become a Power Hungry Tyrant.

    What is different today?
     

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    Their Union is bankrupt, and will have to live that way.

    Our Republic of Texas is solvent, and one of the world's few Nations that is.

    Texas will not remain solvent if it continues to use the same currency that is being debased at a very rapid pace. How could one expect Texas to survive on it's own when it's currency can be inflated at the whim of a private entity based in what would be essentially a foreign nation?

    Although secession should never, ever be taken off the table as an option there are other steps that should be taken first. Following in the footsteps of Montana would be a good start which is being done with HB 1863. If bills such as that can be used to form a crack, and then drive a wedge in the current perverted interpretation of the commerce clause it could be a huge step forward for personal freedom and states rights. Federal laws that are supposedly backed up by the commerce clause ensure that the level of regulation and burden of government isn't THAT different from state to state. Allowing each state to determine it's own labor laws, monetary system, etc. would create competition between states. States with governments that get it right would prosper while those that cling to the welfare state model would eventually collapse as they should. This is what is happening in California right now. The problem is that as soon as things get bad enough there the feds will step in with a bailout and not allow the much needed failure to occur.

    Probably the biggest improvement Texas could make would be to adopt a Constitutional monetary system. The prosperity it would bring about would set Texas apart and undoubtedly be seen by other states. This would expose the nanny statists for the failures they are and hopefully knock some sense into the rest of the nation.
     

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    Texas will not remain solvent if it continues to use the same currency that is being debased at a very rapid pace. How could one expect Texas to survive on it's own when it's currency can be inflated at the whim of a private entity based in what would be essentially a foreign nation?

    Although secession should never, ever be taken off the table as an option there are other steps that should be taken first. Following in the footsteps of Montana would be a good start which is being done with HB 1863. If bills such as that can be used to form a crack, and then drive a wedge in the current perverted interpretation of the commerce clause it could be a huge step forward for personal freedom and states rights. Federal laws that are supposedly backed up by the commerce clause ensure that the level of regulation and burden of government isn't THAT different from state to state. Allowing each state to determine it's own labor laws, monetary system, etc. would create competition between states. States with governments that get it right would prosper while those that cling to the welfare state model would eventually collapse as they should. This is what is happening in California right now. The problem is that as soon as things get bad enough there the feds will step in with a bailout and not allow the much needed failure to occur.

    Probably the biggest improvement Texas could make would be to adopt a Constitutional monetary system. The prosperity it would bring about would set Texas apart and undoubtedly be seen by other states. This would expose the nanny statists for the failures they are and hopefully knock some sense into the rest of the nation.
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    I think that with careful planing Texas would be able to secede successfully. But we would need to secure our own military (militia) and be organized and prepared. If Texas were to break away from the union the union would be pissed. They would be pissed because other states would want to fallow our leed. And that is why I suggest peace threw fire power. an army of sharp shooters is a good start, but we need to be willing to die for the cause as a public. If Texas were to secede I would proudly offer my rifle and my life to protect it. I'm willing to fight and I am willing to die for my countrymen (and women). Even if it does not come to arms it would still be a pissing contest with the USSA.
     
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