Hurley's Gold

Texas Constitutional Carry - Thoughts?

The #1 community for Gun Owners in Texas

Member Benefits:

  • Fewer Ads!
  • Discuss all aspects of firearm ownership
  • Discuss anti-gun legislation
  • Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section
  • Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses
  • Discover free outdoor shooting areas
  • View up to date on firearm-related events
  • Share photos & video with other members
  • ...and so much more!
  • Taylor C

    New Member
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Nov 27, 2016
    9
    1
    I have posted this in another thread of mine, but decided this would apply more generally. So, in Government code 411.172 a person is eligible for alicense to carry a handgun if that person is 21 years of age and isqualified under federal and state law to purchase a handgun. However, I haverecently looked through the filed senate and house bills that are to bereviewed at the next Texas legislative session in January. I found a bill proposed in the Texas House ofRepresentatives that calls for Texas constitutional carry. In H.B. #375 it iswritten that any “person who is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessinga firearm shall not be required to obtain a license to carry a handgun as acondition for carrying a handgun.” This would be a huge victory if passed,although I’m a little unsure about allowing just anyone to carry. What are y’allsthoughts? Do you think it will pass?
    ARJ Defense ad
     

    POLICESTATE

    Member
    Rating - 100%
    3   0   0
    Oct 12, 2016
    163
    11
    Wylie, TEXAS
    I think it's a great idea. I fully support it, however more needs to be done to allow CC into places that do not allow open carry. But this is a big step in the right direction. In my mind concealed = nobody's business, so long as it remains concealed.

    Any place that puts a sign in front that essentially says "No Guns" is really saying "Safe to Rob"
     

    Younggun

    Certified Jackass
    TGT Supporter
    Local Business Supporter
    Rating - 100%
    6   0   0
    Jul 31, 2011
    53,619
    96
    hill co.
    Absolutely not worried about people carrying without a license.

    People do it in their vehicles every day.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     

    jrbfishn

    TGT Addict
    Lifetime Member
    Rating - 100%
    3   0   0
    Aug 9, 2013
    28,317
    96
    south of killeen
    Does not bother me at all. Honest people will not be the problem. Criminals pay no attention to the law anyway. And criminals have the most to fear from an armed population. They are the ones that want the general population disarmed.
    I too am in full suport of this bill.
    from an idgit coffeeholic
     

    POLICESTATE

    Member
    Rating - 100%
    3   0   0
    Oct 12, 2016
    163
    11
    Wylie, TEXAS
    Guns are just tools. I've been saying this to my neighbors and co-workers for years. "Do you feel safe knowing that we ban guns except for the chosen few here in California?" Really? Give a determined person a screwdriver, a knife, a rock, a car, rat poison. Really it's not hard to see just how unsafe people are but then they believe the shiny lie they've been sold that we can make them safe. One could walk through a cube farm and maybe kill a dozen or so people before the rest get away, and then the cops come, and then what? Well the game is nearly over at that point. However one could do any number of non-firearm-required acts that could kill so many more, like that terrorist in Nice earlier this year with a delivery truck. Then there was that time some determined terrorists took control of a few planes and killed thousands of people...

    Even when people become victims of crimes they still don't get it. They blame the rock, the stick, the sword... they refuse to see that the true killer of man is MAN. Has always been man. A tool is merely the extension of the person using it. So here's the real rub: if you have people who are intent on causing mayhem pick up a weapon, and you don't have one... well then what? Call 911? When the seconds count the cops are only minutes away.

    All I get back from 90% of the people I've talked to sounds the same:
    "baaaaaaaah"

    It matters not that their words say things like "well if we could ban all guns" or "if we could just take away this thing" it all sounds the same "baaaaaaah"

    The sheep believe what the shepherds tell them, because that is what sheep do, and the wolves will continue to eat them; even when they shepherds come after the wolves later.

    Well 10% of the folks I know out here are PEOPLE. They aren't sheep. They can think, analyze, and come to their own conclusions. They don't need shepherds, they are self-reliant. They understand that you cannot legislate authority nor behavior. They understand that when the crap hits the fan that you will be lucky to have anyone to rely on so you'd better need to be able to rely on yourself. Thus we arm ourselves because little turds hit little fans all the time, you just never know when or where.

    You cannot exercise your right to life without being able to exercise the right to defend it if the situation requires. You will be more effective at exercising that right if you have a weapon, preferably a firearm. In a free country that means you need to be able to carry a weapon on or about you person in case the need to use it arises. In a free country one should not need a piece of paper to do that, if one does then it becomes privilege and in the end you have no real right to your life anymore, it has become infringed.

    My hope is that Texas can get the sheep out, keep them out, and keep in the people. I'm not afraid to walk down a street knowing that 50% or more of the other individuals are armed, I'm actually quite fine with that, I have zero intent to commit a crime - and so do the majority of other people. But wow, if I was a bad guy knowing that the odds were I'd get gunned down pretty quick if I did something stupid? That is an effective deterrent.

    An armed society is not only a polite society, it's a safe society. You only have to look at places like Chicago, LA, Philly, and all the other liberal-run cities where law-abiding citizens have been effectively stripped of their weapons to see the truth in that.
     

    Vec

    Well-Known
    Rating - 100%
    13   0   0
    May 8, 2015
    1,298
    31
    suburbs
    I think it's a great idea. I fully support it, however more needs to be done to allow CC into places that do not allow open carry. But this is a big step in the right direction. In my mind concealed = nobody's business, so long as it remains concealed.

    Any place that puts a sign in front that essentially says "No Guns" is really saying "Safe to Rob"

    i agree
     

    Shady

    The One And Only
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Aug 24, 2013
    4,656
    96
    Constitutional carry is in several states so is nothing new. Blood did not flow in the streets, the skies did not fall, mothers of innocent children did not spontaneously combust. Its only an issue to the lemmings that fear there own shadows.

    It does not put guns in the hands of criminals they have plenty of laws on the books to keep them out of wrong doers hands the powers that be just need to enforce them and if you use a gun in a crime you don't get to smell freedom for a HELL of a long time if ever.

    I am pro death penalty and think we need to start a conveyor belt to the lethal injection room for violent or career criminals.
     

    BRD@66

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jan 23, 2014
    10,773
    96
    Liberty Hill
    I'm not against Constitutional Carry but one thing we'll be losing will be the truth in this TSRA business card. No more holier-than-thou for we LTC folks.

    TSRA bus cards.jpg
     

    Younggun

    Certified Jackass
    TGT Supporter
    Local Business Supporter
    Rating - 100%
    6   0   0
    Jul 31, 2011
    53,619
    96
    hill co.
    I'm not against Constitutional Carry but one thing we'll be losing will be the truth in this TSRA business card. No more holier-than-thou for we LTC folks.

    View attachment 40714

    Why would we?

    06/07 signs would still be the same as they are now and unlicensed folks would have far more restriction on where they could carry.

    Unless this law changes a whole lot more than simply making it generally legal to carry a handgun.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     

    busykngt

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jun 14, 2011
    4,730
    96
    McKinney
    Another Bill put forth in this session of the legislature, is one that would eliminate the licensing fee for a LTC. I think it still keeps the training requirement (which one, would have to pay for) but the actual state issued license would be at no cost. This bill attacks the issue from the Constitutionally protected 'Right' to keep and bear arms without having to pay the government a "tax" to exercise that 'Right'. Not sure how far that bill will make it since the gov'mint ain't likely to use general tax revenue to cover the cost of printing, issuing and tracking LTC.


    Sent from my Apple thang using Tapatalk
     

    oohrah

    Well-Known
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jul 24, 2013
    1,243
    96
    Heart O' Texas
    Opposed. You already have constitutional carry in your home and private property. I am opposed to constitutional carry in public. Regardless, we should expend our efforts obtaining unrestricted carry in public for licensed persons.
     

    Dawico

    Uncoiled
    Lifetime Member
    Rating - 100%
    14   0   0
    Oct 15, 2009
    38,009
    96
    Lampasas, Texas
    Opposed. You already have constitutional carry in your home and private property. I am opposed to constitutional carry in public. Regardless, we should expend our efforts obtaining unrestricted carry in public for licensed persons.
    Why are you opposed to Constitutional Carry?
     

    busykngt

    TGT Addict
    Rating - 0%
    0   0   0
    Jun 14, 2011
    4,730
    96
    McKinney
    ....we should expend our efforts obtaining unrestricted carry in public for licensed persons.

    Not sure what this statement means. Government facilities/buildings already can't be limited unless there are 'court' facilities involved. (Agree, 'school' gun-free zones need to be worked on...).
    But concerning the vast majority of what *I* think you're talking about, that's PRIVATE PROPERTY even though they may be open for business to the public. I'm a big believer in the supremacy of private property rights and I sure wouldn't want the government mandating who I have to let onto my private property (even though they do it, in the case of race discrimination). And this argument of trying to hold the shop owner responsible for one's safety against an armed robber is just ridiculous: no one forced you to go into their shop. The solution seems clear to me: don't patronize their establishment (vote with your feet; go somewhere else). Oh... and leave one of those cards to help them see the light!



    Sent from my Apple thang using Tapatalk
     

    Dash Riprock

    Well-Known
    Rating - 100%
    4   0   0
    Jan 8, 2009
    1,459
    66
    Austin
    Another Bill put forth in this session of the legislature, is one that would eliminate the licensing fee for a LTC. I think it still keeps the training requirement (which one, would have to pay for) but the actual state issued license would be at no cost. This bill attacks the issue from the Constitutionally protected 'Right' to keep and bear arms without having to pay the government a "tax" to exercise that 'Right'. Not sure how far that bill will make it since the gov'mint ain't likely to use general tax revenue to cover the cost of printing, issuing and tracking LTC.


    Sent from my Apple thang using Tapatalk

    Apparently Dan Patrick is pushing this one pretty hard so it will probably pass. I get the "rights" part of it but as noted, we still have to pay for the course and I assume the fingerprinting, and I can already hear the left whining about the funding part of it (Republicans want to give tax breaks to gun owners while our schools are failing!!!! WHHHAAAAHHH!!!!). If you really want to fix the cost issue, pass constitutional carry and that will make the license voluntary for those who choose it.

    I'm afraid he'll use up all our political capital on this and there won't be enough left to get the statutorily restricted places removed, or clean up the court office/leased spaces nonsense.

    I've said it before - the LTC codes need to be rewritten in their entirety. In the overall scheme of things, the licensing fee is small potatoes, imho.
     

    Younggun

    Certified Jackass
    TGT Supporter
    Local Business Supporter
    Rating - 100%
    6   0   0
    Jul 31, 2011
    53,619
    96
    hill co.
    Opposed. You already have constitutional carry in your home and private property. I am opposed to constitutional carry in public. Regardless, we should expend our efforts obtaining unrestricted carry in public for licensed persons.

    Why are you opposed to Constitutional Carry?

    This.




    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    Top Bottom