Texas Deadliest Export

[Texan2]

If you can't eliminate the supply or demand for both products on both sides of the same border, then logically, the border itself is insufficient and needs to be bolstered/improved. This whole thread is a great support for the border fence and increased patrols at the border.

I live in S. Texas and will get strung up if my neighbors read this, but there needs to be some type of mechanism to disuede Americans from hiring them. My part of the state is the worst....everybody hires them! Goes back to the supply/demand comment I posted earlier.

You cant compare a Border Fence to the Berlin Wall like the libs so frequently do. They were keeping people hostage...we are trying to keep them out...huge difference.

 

[kingofwylietx]

Also, the articles title is incorrect. The deadliest export from Texas is our fighter jets, F-16's and the Joint Strike Fighters from Lockheed Martin.

 

[Kbear]

If you can't eliminate the supply or demand for both products on both sides of the same border, then logically, the border itself is insufficient and needs to be bolstered/improved. This whole thread is a great support for the border fence and increased patrols at the border.

We could spend more millions on a fence on top of the billions we spend on drug and immigration enforcement.

Here are some questions we should ask our fellow citizens and ourselves:

Why is it ok to walk up to complete stranger, ask them to put out their cigarette and give them a sermon on tobacco’s health effects, but it is somehow taboo to walk up to our co-workers, friends or family and confront them about their drug use.

Why does a parent feel it's ok to ask if there is a gun in the house before their kid comes over to play, but feel they are out of bounds to ask if there are drugs in the house?

For that matter why do pediatricians ask about guns in the house, but ask nothing about drugs?

Why do we boycott business for not being environmentally friendly or will not allow concealed carry, but will buy a $200,000 house from a company we know uses illegal labor?

Why do we ask Mexico to get tough on cops, politicians, ect. when we have not asked our own government to get tough on users?

Here's an idea, if you are caught with illegal narcotics, any amount, any kind, you will be no longer eligible for federal assistance. This means college loans, HUD housing, GI bill.. no federal money.

And another, money earned from illegal labor will be considered "fruits of the crime" and can be seized by the USG.

 

[Texan2]

We could spend more millions on a fence on top of the billions we spend on drug and immigration enforcement.

Here are some questions we should ask our fellow citizens and ourselves:

Why is it ok to walk up to complete stranger, ask them to put out their cigarette and give them a sermon on tobacco’s health effects, but it is somehow taboo to walk up to our co-workers, friends or family and confront them about their drug use.

Why does a parent feel it's ok to ask if there is a gun in the house before their kid comes over to play, but feel they are out of bounds to ask if there are drugs in the house?

For that matter why do pediatricians ask about guns in the house, but ask nothing about drugs?

Why do we boycott business for not being environmentally friendly or will not allow concealed carry, but will buy a $200,000 house from a company we know uses illegal labor?

Why do we ask Mexico to get tough on cops, politicians, ect. when we have not asked our own government to get tough on users?

Here's an idea, if you are caught with illegal narcotics, any amount, any kind, you will be no longer eligible for federal assistance. This means college loans, HUD housing, GI bill.. no federal money.

And another, money earned from illegal labor will be considered "fruits of the crime" and can be seized by the USG.

i love it!!!atriot:

 

[sv6er]

I don't understand how you can justify a pro-gun, anti-drug position.

I don't do drugs. I have no interest in drugs. But if my neighbor smokes weed, what's it to me or you.

The fact that people do commit crimes and do stupid things to get their hands on drugs is because DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL. Let people BE FREE and do what they want to their own bodies... let people legally produce and sell it.. like "free" people should be able to do, and nearly all of the crime associated with it will go away.

You are a hypocrite if you think that you deserve the rights to own/carry a firearm, but someone else doesn't have the right to own whatever substance they want.

 

[Texan2]

"I don't understand how you can justify a pro-gun, anti-drug position."

and I dont understand nuclear physics, but that doesn't make it any less legitimate

 

[Texan2]

:-)

 

[Kbear]

"I don't do drugs. I have no interest in drugs. But if my neighbor smokes weed, what's it to me or you."

Here's what it means to you and me. The money your neighbor paid for his weed will fund some type of criminal activity. Beheading 20 guys in Merida, Mexico, gunning down 8 people in a Juarez restaurant and the list goes on. Let go of the idea that smoking a little weed is harmless and hurts no one, because there is a pile of bodies along the border that says otherwise.

"The fact that people do commit crimes and do stupid things to get their hands on drugs is because DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL. Let people BE FREE and do what they want to their own bodies... let people legally produce and sell it.. like "free" people should be able to do, and nearly all of the crime associated with it will go away."

How free do we go? Weed? Cocaine? Meth...? Also by your rational we should let people be free and drop all age limits on consensual sex. It will get rid of all crime associated with kiddie porn and pedophilia.


You are a hypocrite if you think that you deserve the rights to own/carry a firearm, but someone else doesn't have the right to own whatever substance they want.[/quote]

My right to own/carry firearms has limits. The NFA Acts of 1934, 1968 and 1986 as-well-as state and local laws place all kinds of limits on what I can and can't do, so I live with in those limits. If did not, then I would be a hypocrite.

The right to own a firearm, in my belief is vital for a free country and we would be a very different U.S. without this right. What is so vital about the right to smoke weed, snort cocaine or inject heroin? How is this instrumental to what we are as a country? How is this right helping our citizens? It is a right that you feel is worthy of fighting for?

 

[Kbear]

"You are a hypocrite if you think that you deserve the rights to own/carry a firearm, but someone else doesn't have the right to own whatever substance they want."

I think we are loosing sight of what "rights" are. I may be wrong but "rights" ensure that the powers of the U.S. Government stay with the masses and are not consolidated in the hands of a few. That's why free speech, assembly, petition, bearing arms, prohibitions on search and seizures, ect. are essential.

How did it "rights" become to mean doing what you want, when you want?

 

[sv6er]

Here's what it means to you and me. The money your neighbor paid for his weed will fund some type of criminal activity. Beheading 20 guys in Merida, Mexico, gunning down 8 people in a Juarez restaurant and the list goes on. Let go of the idea that smoking a little weed is harmless and hurts no one, because there is a pile of bodies along the border that says otherwise.

1.) If my neighbor grows weed in his closet, and smokes it himself... or if some farmer finds it growing naturally on his land, and smokes it.... theres not going to be any violence over it.

2.) The only reason that there IS violence over it is BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL. If you legalize drugs, and let people buy them and sell them as they please, there supply/demand gap will close, the value will go down, and they won't be worth killing over.

There was a time in this country where alcohol was prohibited. As a result, gangs were formed and funded by the movement of alcohol, there was violence, crime, etc... all because it was illegal.

Now that it's legal, how many alcohol crime cartels are there? How many gang wars are started over cigarettes?

Drugs bring in crime NOT because they're drugs.. but because they're prohibited. Just like anything else prohibited, they become the specialty of criminals.

How free do we go? Weed? Cocaine? Meth...? Also by your rational we should let people be free and drop all age limits on consensual sex. It will get rid of all crime associated with kiddie porn and pedophilia.

Pretend there are no police for a second. Pretend that everyday citizens were responsible for enforcing laws.

Now.... if you know that your neighbor is smoking weed or using drugs, no matter what it is, under his own free will, do you feel like YOU have a right to march over to his house, cuff him under the threat of violence if he doesn't comply, and stick him in a cage... because HE chose to ingest a substance? What did he do? What gives YOU the right to determine what HE does if it's not infringing on YOUR rights?

Well... if you're not willing to do that, than you couldn't possible support the police doing it. This is the United States of America. The government and police WORK FOR the people. If you're not willing to go put that guy in cuffs YOUR SELF, asking an officer to do it so that you don't have to look your neighbor in the face while you do it MAKES YOU A COWARD.

Anything you want to ask the police to enforce should be something that's so important that you'd be willing to enforce it yourself. Things like rape, robbery, and murder.

If you were my neighbor, and someone robbed you, rapped your wife, or murdered you and there were no cops to do it, I PERSONALLY, would lock that mother fcker up. But I'm not willing to break down my neighbors door and stick him in a cage because he wants to get high. It's not hurting me at all.

As far as child abuse goes, that's something that I think police SHOULD enforce... why? Because abusing a child is something I WOULD PERSONALLY STEP IN TO STOP. It's THAT important. It's one person (abuser) infringing on the rights of the other person (abusee), and I wouldn't stand for it.

My right to own/carry firearms has limits. The NFA Acts of 1934, 1968 and 1986 as-well-as state and local laws place all kinds of limits on what I can and can't do, so I live with in those limits. If did not, then I would be a hypocrite.

So you're saying that if Obama & Co made it illegal to own any firearms, you'd gladly turn them in at the local police department and be on your merry way, because that's what the laws demand?

Or... would you try to fight to get your rights back? Just because our bloated, corrupt government has decided that something is illegal, doesn't mean you no longer deserve to have that right... it means the laws need to change.

The right to own a firearm, in my belief is vital for a free country and we would be a very different U.S. without this right. What is so vital about the right to smoke weed, snort cocaine or inject heroin? How is this instrumental to what we are as a country?

I have a right to the pursuit of happiness. My happiness might not benefit the country, but it's still my right. My LIFE might not benefit the country, but I have a right to that.

Where do you get the idea that the only rights you should have are the ones that benefit your country?

How is this right helping our citizens?

If it doesn't help the country, it's not your right?? Are you SERIOUS? Do you realize you're describing COMMUNISM?

 

[sv6er]

Before this goes any farther... I want to apologize if I get worked up over this.

I've been taught my whole like that the American people are free people. Free to do what they wish, whatever makes them happy, as long as it's not infringing on somebody else's rights.

I get really upset to see so many people defeated... so many people who have accepted the position of "subject" instead of "citizen".

Please understand that I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just passionate about your rights, my rights, and the rights of anyone who lives in this country.

 

[Kbear]

Before this goes any farther... I want to apologize if I get worked up over this.

I've been taught my whole like that the American people are free people. Free to do what they wish, whatever makes them happy, as long as it's not infringing on somebody else's rights.

I get really upset to see so many people defeated... so many people who have accepted the position of "subject" instead of "citizen".

Please understand that I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just passionate about your rights, my rights, and the rights of anyone who lives in this country.

I think this is a great discussion to have and is at the root of the US drug and immigration problem.

I scanned through your post, but didn't see "how fee" we should go. Where do YOU draw the line at marijuana or cocaine or meth, LSD, xtcy....or are there no limits?

Looking at what is best for our country as a whole as opposed to what our individual wants are is not Communism. It's what we once were; remember, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what can do for your country".

Also read through the original bill of rights and all amendments to the constitution. Let me know if you find the right to "the pursuit of happiness".

 

[Texan2]

Possessing arms is guaranteed as a right in our constitution...
Getting high is not...

If you think legalizing every drug would make this a better place to live...well that is delusional thinking.

Have you ever dealt with a meth addict...you want one living next door to you. If you would even consider that, you have never dealt with that type of scenario. It is not their choice to do drugs that effects the rest of us...it is the fact that they will steal, rob and do whatever it takes to support that addiction.

As you stated in your post....I'm not trying to be mean spirited, just expressing my view

 

[kingofwylietx]

Have you ever dealt with a meth addict...you want one living next door to you. If you would even consider that, you have never dealt with that type of scenario. It is not their choice to do drugs that effects the rest of us...it is the fact that they will steal, rob and do whatever it takes to support that addiction.

Also, making drugs legal will not change people breaking the law, it will only make them break different laws. There are a lot of drugs out there that are MUCH more addictive than than alcohol. Alcohol is legal and many many people are killed each year by people that choose to drink and drive. IF drugs were legal, we would have many more deaths due to people being high [on whatever drug] and driving. It's not apples to apples. Some junkie buys legal meth, and is so addicted they can't wait to get home....so they use it and drive around. It's too addictive, it's too strong, it changes their personality too much, they would rather sell everything they own to get more, they lose the drive to work and be successful. That is why they are illegal. If these drugs simply made people happy and productive, they would not have become illegal in the first place.

 

[Kbear]

Legalization is working out well for Amersterdam

Amsterdam to close many brothels, marijuana cafes | Front page | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

 

[kingofwylietx]

Legalization is working out well for Amersterdam

Amsterdam to close many brothels, marijuana cafes | Front page | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

I assume you were being sarcastic, if so, I completely agree. Their 'freedoms' have increase human trafficing and organized crime. It deteriorates the area around where these things are sold. You can sell porn here in the states, you don't see those places in upscale neighborhoods.

People think that because something becomes legal that it eliminates the darker sources. By making it legal, it allows the cartels to still send in the drugs, at a lower price, which is probably offset by not having their 'product' seized or having to spend lots of money to get it here covertly. People still get addicted and will still rob and steal to get the money to buy it. Making it legal does not make it free or provide any incentive for them to work a legitimate job to earn the money to buy it. They'll still rob, steal, and kill for the money to feed their habit.

The drug pushers don't sell drugs because they want to feed a demand. They sell it because it is lucrative and easy. If drugs were legal, they would have to find something else illegal to sell or do so they wouldn't have to get a job at minimum wage.

There is no simple remedy. It is a complicated issue and will require complicated responses. It is naive to think that 'just make it legal' will solve America's drug problem.