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  • kawi jm

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    I never understand why people do that. Why take advantage? Essentially people are buying guns at retail and trying to flip them for a profit. If you want to sell guns for profit, get a FFL and invest some money/time into it. Don't gouge the market.
     

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    1150 for a double star, okay, I can see it maybe.... but 1700 for a bushy? That guy is out of the box.....
     

    JKTex

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    What I don't get is how people can be passionate about their "rights" and "freedoms" yet complain about a free market system.

    Basic economics is in play. Sellers won't sell for higher prices unless buyer will buy for higher prices. If buyers won't buy, prices will come down to where they will. Free market. Another "right" and "freedom". :patriot:

    Supply and demand will sort that nonsense out eventually.

    Exactly. That's what supply and demand are all about. A self correcting market, controlling itself.
     

    jodevilgod1

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    Some guy on their was selling a base model m1a with 500 rounds through it for 1700. When I told him MSRP NIB was 1350, I got a reply of "oh really, if thats the case then I buy two. Texas guntrader you can make prifit, youll see" English was a bit lacking I guess.
     

    40Arpent

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    What I don't get is how people can be passionate about their "rights" and "freedoms" yet complain about a free market system.

    Another "right" and "freedom". :patriot:

    You're right on the money, JKT. For those that are complaining, what would you suggest be done about the "problem"? Do you not like a free market society, or do you want more government regulation/legislation?

    Admittedly, I don't like seeing the escalating prices of weapons in times like this, but again, it's based on freedom.
     

    kawi jm

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    Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, but with that said.....If your buying guns at retail with the intent to resell. Your breaking the law. They can charge all they want for thier AR's, AK's & M1A's. I've got what I want/need.
     

    gladi8r

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    This thread wasnt a complaint i was just making a statement. Hopefully people will see this thread and not pay that amount for a rifle that is worth half of what there asking thats all. Im just trying to help people out.
     

    JKTex

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    This thread wasnt a complaint i was just making a statement. Hopefully people will see this thread and not pay that amount for a rifle that is worth half of what there asking thats all. Im just trying to help people out.

    That's where you're wrong. It's worth 100% of what someone will pay for it. If MSRP is $1200 and someone will pay $2400 for it, then it's worth $2400 in a free market. MSRP means nothing more than the manufacture feels, based on what they want to make and what they feel is a fair margin for a retailer if they sell at that price. They have almost no control over market conditions on the demand side.

    Next summer it may be worth $600. A market dictates worth.
     

    JKTex

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    Some guy on their was selling a base model m1a with 500 rounds through it for 1700. When I told him MSRP NIB was 1350, I got a reply of "oh really, if thats the case then I buy two. Texas guntrader you can make prifit, youll see" English was a bit lacking I guess.

    I gotta admit, I'm not sure what you're point is. Sellers use Texas Gun Trader to sell on. They don't dictate pricing. If that's what you mean.... :confused:

    Otherwise, if something has an MSRP of $1350 and I can buy for that, yet there are people that will pay $1500, I'll buy 200 and resell them all.

    Free market!

    But to the point about buying with the intent to resell, you may be right but that's not at issue. It's the prices people are paying that is at issue. The other is not for us to do anything about unless you have enough proof and report it to the proper authorities. But buying 1 or 2 and selling them at some point can be pretty easy to get by with as the law is written.
     

    kendal1

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    I agree, supply and demand. I would not pay the prices, but some people who want them now will. I have been told and quoted for purchase by local dealers and local LE supplier that they are quoted 3 mo out on back orders and any new deliveries on AR guns / lower from the suppliers. They told me that they were also paying higher prices.

    It reminds me of gas prices this summer. I did not like paying $4 / gal. but I did.
     

    gladi8r

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    That's where you're wrong. It's worth 100% of what someone will pay for it. If MSRP is $1200 and someone will pay $2400 for it, then it's worth $2400 in a free market. MSRP means nothing more than the manufacture feels, based on what they want to make and what they feel is a fair margin for a retailer if they sell at that price. They have almost no control over market conditions on the demand side.

    Next summer it may be worth $600. A market dictates worth.


    A free market is why this country is all jacked up right now. We pay twice as much for things we need than what there worth. If America wasnt ran with big company scumbag ideals like the ones you believe in we wouldnt be in a depression. I understand the whole make a little profit thing, but there should be a line where to much profit becomes robbery.
     

    kingofwylietx

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    A free market is why this country is all jacked up right now. We pay twice as much for things we need than what there worth.

    The free market system is also called capitalism. You can have capitalism or socialism. The main difference, is choosing to buy everything from entrepreneurs or the government. We know how efficient governments are, have you ever seen a state bread or rice line overseas? You wait hours for your government product. Choices [sour dough, 7-grain wheat, etc.) are not present.

    If the free market is to blame for all the problems in this country, please explain why every other country on the planet is having the same financial problems (China, Russia, and every other country). By your reasoning, only capitalist societies should be having a meltdown and that is not the case. This is a global event.
     

    JKTex

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    A free market is why this country is all jacked up right now. We pay twice as much for things we need than what there worth. If America wasnt ran with big company scumbag ideals like the ones you believe in we wouldnt be in a depression. I understand the whole make a little profit thing, but there should be a line where to much profit becomes robbery.

    ...and you have made the pitch for those walking around dazed and confused, making up things to place blame for whatever you don't like on.

     

    idleprocess

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    I vote with my wallet every day - mostly in the negative.

    I've been in the market for a Saiga 12 for a long time now, but not at the ~$700 that they seem to be going for now. Unfortunately, demand (read: desperation) has eclipsed my budget so I do without. As much as I'd rather pay the ~$350 of 2 years ago for one of these, they simply fly off the shelves at their present price.

    I'm not so sure that the dealers, distributors, and manufacturer are making too much more from each sale because of the uncertainty in the market and immense strain on capacity in the distribution channels and production side. I doubt that any manufacturer is going to make any big investments in capacity given the political uncertainty and the probable short half-life of the buying panic, so lines are being run at greater than design capacity and massive overtime is likely the norm - driving up the cost of production. Dealers have to pay more for every shipment, can't keep anything in stock, and are working countless hours on customer service.

    I sure hope this works itself out on its own without a, er, political solution imposed on the industry...
     

    gladi8r

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    ...and you have made the pitch for those walking around dazed and confused, making up things to place blame for whatever you don't like on.


    I give up Im not too political maybe I just have a weird sorta outlook or maybe misinformed I dunno. All i do know is what those people are doing is wrong and if I were to meet those people i would let them know that. What that accomplishes I dunno. I would like to think that I have more courtesy and respect for the fellow man and the fellow shooter, not to rip a man off with some bullcrap price cause the buyer is unknowledgable in what he is purchasing. Of course Jk you will say "Well thats what he gets for not looking into that kinda stuff its a free market supply and demand blah blah blah". That doesnt make it right. I understand all the crap of supply and demand I expect that from big distrubutors and companies but not from a regular person.
     

    kingofwylietx

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    I give up Im not too political maybe I just have a weird sorta outlook or maybe misinformed I dunno. All i do know is what those people are doing is wrong and if I were to meet those people i would let them know that. What that accomplishes I dunno. I would like to think that I have more courtesy and respect for the fellow man and the fellow shooter, not to rip a man off with some bullcrap price cause the buyer is unknowledgable in what he is purchasing. Of course Jk you will say "Well thats what he gets for not looking into that kinda stuff its a free market supply and demand blah blah blah". That doesnt make it right. I understand all the crap of supply and demand I expect that from big distrubutors and companies but not from a regular person.

    I see what you are saying, but you are asking others to give up profit/gain just so that a product will stay at an artificially low price. Supply and demand dictate pricing.

    Maybe we should veer off guns and look at housing. By changing the product, maybe you will accept the example.

    Lets say you built your home 10 years ago and it cost you $150,000 to build. Then, by your earlier posts, the value of the home is $150k. Lets say, you decided to sell your home today and the appraiser said it is worth $350k, because the neighborhood had been very well maintained and was in the most desirable area. Now, if all the homes around you were built for a similar price, and are selling at around $350k............would you sell your home for $150k????? You mentioned a reasonable profit, so would you sell it for $170k? If you did, I would buy it and put it right back on the market for $350k..........you would have given me the difference. Merry Christmas to me.

    Another good example is one of my favorites. Lets take a 69 RS/SS camaro that cost you $4k. Lets say you bought it new and stuck it in the garage. Maybe you took it out for few drives, but only put a few thousand miles on it. Well, if you sold it today with a few thousand miles and in brand-new condition, it would fetch 6 figures, over $100k. Your earlier logic would have you sell it for $5k or maybe less if you took depreciation.

    Maybe you want to apply your earlier logic to transactions between close friends or family, that would be noble of you. Unfortunately, it does not apply to transactions between strangers.
     

    gladi8r

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    I see what you are saying, but you are asking others to give up profit/gain just so that a product will stay at an artificially low price. Supply and demand dictate pricing.

    Maybe we should veer off guns and look at housing. By changing the product, maybe you will accept the example.

    Lets say you built your home 10 years ago and it cost you $150,000 to build. Then, by your earlier posts, the value of the home is $150k. Lets say, you decided to sell your home today and the appraiser said it is worth $350k, because the neighborhood had been very well maintained and was in the most desirable area. Now, if all the homes around you were built for a similar price, and are selling at around $350k............would you sell your home for $150k????? You mentioned a reasonable profit, so would you sell it for $170k? If you did, I would buy it and put it right back on the market for $350k..........you would have given me the difference. Merry Christmas to me.

    Another good example is one of my favorites. Lets take a 69 RS/SS camaro that cost you $4k. Lets say you bought it new and stuck it in the garage. Maybe you took it out for few drives, but only put a few thousand miles on it. Well, if you sold it today with a few thousand miles and in brand-new condition, it would fetch 6 figures, over $100k. Your earlier logic would have you sell it for $5k or maybe less if you took depreciation.

    Maybe you want to apply your earlier logic to transactions between close friends or family, that would be noble of you. Unfortunately, it does not apply to transactions between strangers.


    I got ya guys I understand what your saying and I appreciate the conversation. It just burns my ass a bit thats all.
     
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