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Discussion in 'Politics' started by RetArmySgt, Dec 25, 2009.
Are you for Texas Seceding from the Union?
The U.S.A. IS 1 NATION UNDER GOD! WHAT GOD HAS BROUGHT TOGETHER, LET NO MAN TRY AND UNDO. I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS SUBJECT IS STILL, TO THIS DAY, BROUGHT UP IN THIS COUNTRY! I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME MAY FEEL DISGUST ETC..... AT HOW THE GOVT IS DOING THINGS, BUT BELIEVE ME, STAYING TOGETHER ONLY MAKES US STRONGER, WITH THE BELIEF THAT "WE TRY AND BE ON GOD'S SIDE, AND NOT ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT GOD SHOULD BE ON 'OUR' SIDE". THIS IS MY BELIEF AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THE FOUNDING FATHERS' BELIEF.
BTW, what ever became of David Crockett?????
Yea but if the gov only believes in their own selves ,and not god then what they force their laws on u.s. let not u.s. pick what is good for u.s. this is not democracy this is tyranny plan and simple.
I say yes to texas as one should spilt.
He went to Texas, everyone else went to hell...
Texas is the only state with the power to secede and it has an obligation to itself to protect the citizens of this great state from oppressors both foreign and domestic... The Texas people ARE being taxed and controlled beyond the extent of the federal government and our state must regain it's power granted unto us by the United States constitution...
On the flip side I think the same thing would probably happen that brought about the REPUBLIC of Texas joining the United States... money...
As Pink Floyd said:
"Money, it's a crime ; Share it fairly ; But don't take a slice of my pie"
All states have the right to secede. I am for Texas seceding due to the current admin and both houses imposing stupid legislation upon us. Also the damn POTUS signing away our soverinty to NATO etc....
Following the Civil War ... no state has the right to secede, including Texas, unless you seem to forget the entire forced reunion of the states under federal observation.
The only way Texas is going to secede is through force of arms. It can not and will not do it diplomatically. There is far too much apathy amongst Texas citizens to win a revolution. Sabre rattling on the internet and giving up everything for a free Texas are two vastly differing situations.
The POTUS does not have the power to sign away our "soverinty" [sic] to NATO. The only group that can ratify a treaty is the Senate, and he does not control the Senate.
The people need to hold Washington responsible, but they won't, and we will reap that reward.
This unfortunately is correct. The people of the US have grown much to apathetic.... The only way to take the country back at this point is by force of arms. We can make this PoS in the white house a lame duck in 12 months but you can bet that they will do everything that they can to destroy us in that time..
We might all be screwed...
Actually the civil war did not prove that states could not secede it only proved that they can be forced to stay at the power or a bayonet yielding mislead president. The 10th amendement protects the states right to sucede. No where in the US constituition does it say that the states cant leave the union.
It only proved that, when allowed to act outside his lawfully limited authority, a U.S. president is capable of unleashing horrendous violence against the lives, liberty, and property of those whom he pretends to serve. The Confederate States (including Texas) withdrew from the Union lawfully, civilly, and peacefully, after enduring several decades of excessive and inequitable federal tariffs (taxes) heavily prejudiced against Southern commerce. Refusing to recognize the Confederate secession, Lincoln called it a "rebellion" and a "threat" to "the government" (without ever explaining exactly how "the government" was "threatened" by a lawful, civil, and peaceful secession) and acted outside the lawfully defined scope of either the office of president or the U.S. government in general, to coerce the South back into subjugation to Northern control.
The South's rejoining the Union at the point of a bayonet in the late 1860s didn't prove secession is "not an option" or unlawful. It only affirmed that violent coercion can be used—even by governments (if unrestrained)—to rob men of their very lives, liberty, and property.
It bears repeating that the united States are "united" explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
"One Nation Under God Indivisible" was officially incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance June 14, 1954 By a socialist by the name of Louis A. Bowman