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    2nd Abeliever

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    The U.S.A. IS 1 NATION UNDER GOD! WHAT GOD HAS BROUGHT TOGETHER, LET NO MAN TRY AND UNDO. I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS SUBJECT IS STILL, TO THIS DAY, BROUGHT UP IN THIS COUNTRY! I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME MAY FEEL DISGUST ETC..... AT HOW THE GOVT IS DOING THINGS, BUT BELIEVE ME, STAYING TOGETHER ONLY MAKES US STRONGER, WITH THE BELIEF THAT "WE TRY AND BE ON GOD'S SIDE, AND NOT ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT GOD SHOULD BE ON 'OUR' SIDE". THIS IS MY BELIEF AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THE FOUNDING FATHERS' BELIEF.

    BTW, what ever became of David Crockett?????
     

    hard shot

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    Yea but if the gov only believes in their own selves ,and not god then what they force their laws on u.s. let not u.s. pick what is good for u.s. this is not democracy this is tyranny plan and simple.
    I say yes to texas as one should spilt.
     

    texas_teacher

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    The U.S.A. IS 1 NATION UNDER GOD! WHAT GOD HAS BROUGHT TOGETHER, LET NO MAN TRY AND UNDO. I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS SUBJECT IS STILL, TO THIS DAY, BROUGHT UP IN THIS COUNTRY! I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME MAY FEEL DISGUST ETC..... AT HOW THE GOVT IS DOING THINGS, BUT BELIEVE ME, STAYING TOGETHER ONLY MAKES US STRONGER, WITH THE BELIEF THAT "WE TRY AND BE ON GOD'S SIDE, AND NOT ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT GOD SHOULD BE ON 'OUR' SIDE". THIS IS MY BELIEF AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THE FOUNDING FATHERS' BELIEF.

    BTW, what ever became of David Crockett?????

    Texas is the only state with the power to secede and it has an obligation to itself to protect the citizens of this great state from oppressors both foreign and domestic... The Texas people ARE being taxed and controlled beyond the extent of the federal government and our state must regain it's power granted unto us by the United States constitution...

    On the flip side I think the same thing would probably happen that brought about the REPUBLIC of Texas joining the United States... money...

    As Pink Floyd said:

    "Money, it's a crime ; Share it fairly ; But don't take a slice of my pie"
     

    RocTrac

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    All states have the right to secede. I am for Texas seceding due to the current admin and both houses imposing stupid legislation upon us. Also the damn POTUS signing away our soverinty to NATO etc....
     

    Texas1911

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    Following the Civil War ... no state has the right to secede, including Texas, unless you seem to forget the entire forced reunion of the states under federal observation.

    The only way Texas is going to secede is through force of arms. It can not and will not do it diplomatically. There is far too much apathy amongst Texas citizens to win a revolution. Sabre rattling on the internet and giving up everything for a free Texas are two vastly differing situations.

    The POTUS does not have the power to sign away our "soverinty" [sic] to NATO. The only group that can ratify a treaty is the Senate, and he does not control the Senate.

    The people need to hold Washington responsible, but they won't, and we will reap that reward.
     

    biglucky

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    Following the Civil War ... no state has the right to secede, including Texas, unless you seem to forget the entire forced reunion of the states under federal observation.

    The only way Texas is going to secede is through force of arms. It can not and will not do it diplomatically. There is far too much apathy amongst Texas citizens to win a revolution. Sabre rattling on the internet and giving up everything for a free Texas are two vastly differing situations.

    The POTUS does not have the power to sign away our "soverinty" [sic] to NATO. The only group that can ratify a treaty is the Senate, and he does not control the Senate.

    The people need to hold Washington responsible, but they won't, and we will reap that reward.

    This unfortunately is correct. The people of the US have grown much to apathetic.... The only way to take the country back at this point is by force of arms. We can make this PoS in the white house a lame duck in 12 months but you can bet that they will do everything that they can to destroy us in that time..

    We might all be screwed...
     

    RetArmySgt

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    Actually the civil war did not prove that states could not secede it only proved that they can be forced to stay at the power or a bayonet yielding mislead president. The 10th amendement protects the states right to sucede. No where in the US constituition does it say that the states cant leave the union.

    It only proved that, when allowed to act outside his lawfully limited authority, a U.S. president is capable of unleashing horrendous violence against the lives, liberty, and property of those whom he pretends to serve. The Confederate States (including Texas) withdrew from the Union lawfully, civilly, and peacefully, after enduring several decades of excessive and inequitable federal tariffs (taxes) heavily prejudiced against Southern commerce.[4] Refusing to recognize the Confederate secession, Lincoln called it a "rebellion" and a "threat" to "the government" (without ever explaining exactly how "the government" was "threatened" by a lawful, civil, and peaceful secession) and acted outside the lawfully defined scope of either the office of president or the U.S. government in general, to coerce the South back into subjugation to Northern control.[5]
    The South's rejoining the Union at the point of a bayonet in the late 1860s didn't prove secession is "not an option" or unlawful. It only affirmed that violent coercion can be used—even by governments (if unrestrained)—to rob men of their very lives, liberty, and property.[6]

    It bears repeating that the united States are "united" explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."
     

    RetArmySgt

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    The U.S.A. IS 1 NATION UNDER GOD! WHAT GOD HAS BROUGHT TOGETHER, LET NO MAN TRY AND UNDO. I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS SUBJECT IS STILL, TO THIS DAY, BROUGHT UP IN THIS COUNTRY! I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME MAY FEEL DISGUST ETC..... AT HOW THE GOVT IS DOING THINGS, BUT BELIEVE ME, STAYING TOGETHER ONLY MAKES US STRONGER, WITH THE BELIEF THAT "WE TRY AND BE ON GOD'S SIDE, AND NOT ALWAYS BELIEVE THAT GOD SHOULD BE ON 'OUR' SIDE". THIS IS MY BELIEF AND I BELIEVE IT WAS THE FOUNDING FATHERS' BELIEF.

    BTW, what ever became of David Crockett?????

    "One Nation Under God Indivisible" was officially incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance June 14, 1954 By a socialist by the name of Louis A. Bowman
     

    D-Day

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    If Texas leaves the Union it would be run by Mexican Drug Cartels in a matter of months. Then the US would have to bail it out and put tons of lives at risk. It shouldn't happen and won't happen.
     

    Hawghauler

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    Perhaps all 50 states need to secede and start afresh. Great news! I know of a good constitution they could use. It was priceless at one time and bought and paid for in rivers of blood, but we should be able to get it for free because it hasn't been used in decades and the current government has absolutely no use for it.
     

    texas_teacher

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    Perhaps all 50 states need to secede and start afresh. Great news! I know of a good constitution they could use. It was priceless at one time and bought and paid for in rivers of blood, but we should be able to get it for free because it hasn't been used in decades and the current government has absolutely no use for it.

    We'd have to find a good steam cleaner to remove all the residue from all the people that have wiped their ass with it...
     

    Fisherman777

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    BTW, what ever became of David Crockett?????

    He died at the Alamo to help make the Republic of Texas free. Remember The Alamo!

    If you like reading, this is a great book. I read this a couple of years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. David Crockett His Life and Adventures If you want to download it, here's the zip file.

    Here's a little clip from the preface: David Crockett certainly was not a model man. But he was a representative man. He was conspicuously one of a very numerous class, still existing, and which has heretofore exerted a very powerful influence over this republic. As such, his wild and wondrous life is worthy of the study of every patriot.
     

    SiscoKid

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    Yes, yes, yes..

    We can and should secede. When states like Kollifornia refuse their law abiding citizens the Rights of the 2nd Amendment, when states like Nebraska and Louisiana get special favors just to get an Unconstitutional bill passed, it's time to exercise our legal rights.

    With Texas doing better than most states economically, some actually on the brink of bankruptcy, how long before we will be asked to Prop Up the rest of them? It's not our job.

    I believe in the new health care fiasco bill, there is a provision for states to opt out. If true, it's the first step our governor and legislature should do.
     

    Texas1911

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    Actually the civil war did not prove that states could not secede it only proved that they can be forced to stay at the power or a bayonet yielding mislead president. The 10th amendement protects the states right to sucede. No where in the US constituition does it say that the states cant leave the union.

    No where in the Constitution does it say that we can abolish abortion. No where in the Constitution does it say we can bar homosexuals from marriage. No where in the Constitution does it say we had the right to enslave people. No where in the Constitution does it say we had the right to bar women from voting. No where in the Constitution does it say we have the right to segregate races. For some of these it was an Amendment that created law, and for others it's a Supreme Court.

    See the pattern?

    During and following the Civil War, the SCOTUS ruled that states did not hold individual rights to absolve their union. That is the ruling that stands today.

    Is it unconstitutional? In my opinion it is ... this country was founded on the principle of individual unity, which is an oxymoron, but for those that understand the premise of the original colonies it makes perfect sense. For people today, they only see their state as part of the greater Country. It was the other way around before the Civil War.
     

    oldguy

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    Not sure where I stand on this,the country is fragmented, race, religion, politics and it appears to grow worse as each new administrations comes in, with over 310million people and growing along with no common bond some form of break up of the USA is when not if unless we finally wake up and take a strong stand on out of control immigration,corrupt government and last but not least the political correctness hysteria.
     

    biglucky

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    Actually the civil war did not prove that states could not secede it only proved that they can be forced to stay at the power or a bayonet yielding mislead president. The 10th amendement protects the states right to sucede. No where in the US constituition does it say that the states cant leave the union.

    It only proved that, when allowed to act outside his lawfully limited authority, a U.S. president is capable of unleashing horrendous violence against the lives, liberty, and property of those whom he pretends to serve. The Confederate States (including Texas) withdrew from the Union lawfully, civilly, and peacefully, after enduring several decades of excessive and inequitable federal tariffs (taxes) heavily prejudiced against Southern commerce.[4] Refusing to recognize the Confederate secession, Lincoln called it a "rebellion" and a "threat" to "the government" (without ever explaining exactly how "the government" was "threatened" by a lawful, civil, and peaceful secession) and acted outside the lawfully defined scope of either the office of president or the U.S. government in general, to coerce the South back into subjugation to Northern control.[5]
    The South's rejoining the Union at the point of a bayonet in the late 1860s didn't prove secession is "not an option" or unlawful. It only affirmed that violent coercion can be used—even by governments (if unrestrained)—to rob men of their very lives, liberty, and property.[6]

    It bears repeating that the united States are "united" explicitly on the principle that "governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends [i.e., protecting life, liberty, and property], it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" and "when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

    While your explanation of the war of northern aggression is totally accurate and I agree with you whole heartedly the 14th amendment which was ratified after the civil war makes it illegal for any state to secede from the Union.

    "Fourteenth Amendment (1868): Defines a set of guarantees for United States citizenship; prohibits states from abridging citizens' privileges or immunities and rights to due process and the equal protection of the law; repeals the Three-fifths compromise; prohibits repudiation of the federal debt caused by the Civil War"

    Under the 14th amendment secession would be "abridgment of citizens privileges and rights to due process and equal protection of the law"... I think that is a pretty liberal interpretation of the words, but that is the interpretation that constitutional scholars and most likely the 9 Supremes would use to invalidate such a secession. The only way around it would be a unanimous vote by 100% of Texans.

    Your last paragraph is the most powerful thing you have said though, because it outlines the real solution, revolution.... whether it be a political revolution like Ronald Reagan lead and the Bush's and Liberals have fought so hard to beat down since or a revolution through force of arms....
     

    Texas1911

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    Under the 14th amendment secession would be "abridgment of citizens privileges and rights to due process and equal protection of the law"... I think that is a pretty liberal interpretation of the words, but that is the interpretation that constitutional scholars and most likely the 9 Supremes would use to invalidate such a secession. The only way around it would be a unanimous vote by 100% of Texans.

    Your last paragraph is the most powerful thing you have said though, because it outlines the real solution, revolution.... whether it be a political revolution like Ronald Reagan lead and the Bush's and Liberals have fought so hard to beat down since or a revolution through force of arms....

    The only issue is that we are holding our own beliefs above those of other Texans and Americans. What better are we if we are cramming our politics down the throat of others?

    The benefit of the state relative to the union is that it offers a compromise. It allows states the benefit of free will in governing their own people.

    The problem arises when one state, or states, dictate their own policy through the federal level, ergo the disdain for New York, Massachusetts, and California, among others. THAT is the root cause, and the reason why liberal and conservative alike have created such a large amount of political energy.
     
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