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  • Are your for Texas Seceding


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    Freedom1911

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    I live in Mo and I say yes.
    I need a good place to move to and figure Texas would be a great place to start.
    Seems most people in government have forgotten what their job is, and are just doing what they and their special interest but buddies want.
    We need a state to get some balls and leave so that the rest of the real patriot Americans
    can move to a real country.
    Gun Zone Deals
     

    MadMo44Mag

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    Following the Civil War ... no state has the right to secede, including Texas, unless you seem to forget the entire forced reunion of the states under federal observation.

    The only way Texas is going to secede is through force of arms. It can not and will not do it diplomatically. There is far too much apathy amongst Texas citizens to win a revolution. Sabre rattling on the internet and giving up everything for a free Texas are two vastly differing situations.

    The POTUS does not have the power to sign away our "soverinty" [sic] to NATO. The only group that can ratify a treaty is the Senate, and he does not control the Senate.

    The people need to hold Washington responsible, but they won't, and we will reap that reward.

    Alan is correct but I still voted "YES"
    IMO it's a "voice" that if enough states attempted it all at the same point in time that "voice" would be heard and change could take place.
    Right now it's a bunch of saber rattling and BS from all sides and there is no "Combined" front.
    I think this is what Alan is saying right here
    The people need to hold Washington responsible, but they won't, and we will reap that reward.
    Look what got elected!!!!
    Do people really care and are WE the minority?
     

    saltydog

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    okay if an embargo is a strong way to get other counties attention to stop doing something. what can we stop sending out or receive from washington that would get their attention?
     

    biglucky

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    The strongest way to communicate with Washington would be to pump up your W-4 to the point where basically nothing gets deducted from your check every couple weeks. Make sure that you pay your taxes on time in April but without our money deducted on a regular schedule they gubmint won't have any money to function on....
     

    Eli

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    What could Obammy do if TX seceded? Woulds the Armed Forces try to re-take Texas? Or, I mean, what's left of the Armed Forces after all the Texans leave?
    What's most likely is Obammy would bow down to Perry - or whoever - and life would improve in TX. Now that's change we can believe in!

    Eli
     

    jordanmills

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    Why? I know it would be hard because of all of the Dim-Libs in the big cities. Is that what you're thinking?
    Politically, that's part of it. A small part. Logistically, think about resource distribution, especially food. Sure shipping it in would work, but there's a lot of tarriff stuff to work out, and pure hell if we're embargoed. Texas isn't self-sufficient in food production. Energy-wise, while ERCOT covers most of Texas, there are large swaths that are part of other grids. And think of all the things that federal law mandates that we'd need replacement, precedent, or convention for in business, shipping, etc. What would we do about regular postal mail?
     

    jordanmills

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    The strongest way to communicate with Washington would be to pump up your W-4 to the point where basically nothing gets deducted from your check every couple weeks. Make sure that you pay your taxes on time in April but without our money deducted on a regular schedule they gubmint won't have any money to function on....
    The IRS imposes a penalty if your taxes due are more than some amount for more than two years a row or something. I don't know the details, but it's designed to prevent exactly what you're talking about.
     

    biglucky

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    The IRS imposes a penalty if your taxes due are more than some amount for more than two years a row or something. I don't know the details, but it's designed to prevent exactly what you're talking about.

    Yeah but that would give us 2 years or so of protest... if Jefferson came back to life and saw income tax deduction he would flip...
     

    Texas1911

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    Politically, that's part of it. A small part. Logistically, think about resource distribution, especially food. Sure shipping it in would work, but there's a lot of tarriff stuff to work out, and pure hell if we're embargoed. Texas isn't self-sufficient in food production. Energy-wise, while ERCOT covers most of Texas, there are large swaths that are part of other grids. And think of all the things that federal law mandates that we'd need replacement, precedent, or convention for in business, shipping, etc. What would we do about regular postal mail?

    Food is easy, companies are easily bought from.

    Energy, would be an issue for some areas.

    The biggest problem would be the lawsuits from the Federal government over our land claims and resource claims. Think about the oil we sit on in the Gulf, you think the US is going to give that up?

    The US doesn't need to invade us. They only need to bankrupt us, and we will tear ourselves apart in the wake. Too few people are going to give up A/C, money, land, and possibly their lives and livelihood to create a free Texas. There is too little for them to gain.
     

    jordanmills

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    Food is easy, companies are easily bought from.

    Energy, would be an issue for some areas.

    The biggest problem would be the lawsuits from the Federal government over our land claims and resource claims. Think about the oil we sit on in the Gulf, you think the US is going to give that up?

    The US doesn't need to invade us. They only need to bankrupt us, and we will tear ourselves apart in the wake. Too few people are going to give up A/C, money, land, and possibly their lives and livelihood to create a free Texas. There is too little for them to gain.
    Yep. And you can't just think of what you'd be willing to give up, you'd have to think of what everyone else is also willing to give up. Without at least the passing support of a vast majority, it won't get anywhere.
     

    smschulz

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    I have one better than to sucede.

    Divide the country down the middle ~ say use the Mississippi River as a border.
    Flip for first choice.
    All of the libs go one way and the conservs go the other.
    Utopia is achieved.

    ahhh.... all the guns go to the conserv side and all Pruis's to the other.
     

    Ishtacka

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    In Texas' annexation, we sent Washington our decision on how our house would be run. In it we agreed to many things including below:

    "Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That Congress doth consent that the territory properly included within and rightfully belonging to the Republic of Texas, may be erected into a new State to be called the State of Texas, with a republican form of government adopted by the people of said Republic, by deputies in convention assembled, with the consent of the existing Government in order that the same may by admitted as one of the States of this Union.
    2nd. And be it further resolved, That the foregoing consent of Congress is given upon the following conditions, to wit: First, said state to be formed, subject to the adjustment by this government of all questions of boundary that may arise with other government, --and the Constitution thereof, with the proper evidence of its adoption by the people of said Republic of Texas, shall be transmitted to the President of the United States, to be laid before Congress for its final action on, or before the first day of January, one thousand eight hundred and forty-six. Second, said state when admitted into the Union, after ceding to the United States all public edifices, fortifications, barracks, ports and harbors, navy and navy yards, docks, magazines and armaments, and all other means pertaining to the public defense, belonging to the said Republic of Texas, shall retain funds, debts, taxes and dues of every kind which may belong to, or be due and owing to the said Republic; and shall also retain all the vacant and unappropriated lands lying within its limits, to be applied to the payment of the debts and liabilities of said Republic of Texas, and the residue of said lands, after discharging said debts and liabilities, to be disposed of as said State may direct; but in no event are said debts and liabilities to become a charge upon the Government of the United States. Third -- New States of convenient size not exceeding four in number, in addition to said State of Texas and having sufficient population, may, hereafter by the consent of said State, be formed out of the territory thereof, which shall be entitled to admission under the provisions of the Federal Constitution; and such states as may be formed out of the territory lying south of thirty-six degrees thirty minutes north latitude, commonly known as the Missouri Compromise Line, shall be admitted into the Union, with or without slavery, as the people of each State, asking admission shall desire; and in such State or States as shall be formed out of said territory, north of said Missouri compromise Line, slavery, or involuntary servitude (except for crime) shall be prohibited."

    YAY 5 states!


    Ish

    (Gotta give props where props are due- http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/8425/can-texas-secede-from-the-union-no )
     

    Texas1911

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    The benefit of separating Texas into 5 states is that we would gain 6 - 8 conservative votes in the Senate. The downside is that we would probably lose some in the House, unless it was gerrymandered "properly".
     

    RetArmySgt

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    In Texas' annexation, we sent Washington our decision on how our house would be run. In it we agreed to many things including below:


    The Republic of Texas was not and could not have been annexed it was a sovereign nation. The Republic of Texas joined the Union under Treaty. The "annexation" of Texas would have been an act of war. Through the Treaty that Texas joined the Union is what allowed Texas the right to make demands that had to be met for her joining of the Union.
     

    Texas1911

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    The Republic of Texas was not and could not have been annexed it was a sovereign nation. The Republic of Texas joined the Union under Treaty. The "annexation" of Texas would have been an act of war. Through the Treaty that Texas joined the Union is what allowed Texas the right to make demands that had to be met for her joining of the Union.

    Bit of a semantics play there.

    Unfortunately most of our individualism went out when we joined the Confederacy and was lumped into that decision.

    I wish the South would have won, but I cannot agree with it's general acceptance of slavery.
     

    Ishtacka

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    The Republic of Texas was not and could not have been annexed it was a sovereign nation. The Republic of Texas joined the Union under Treaty. The "annexation" of Texas would have been an act of war. Through the Treaty that Texas joined the Union is what allowed Texas the right to make demands that had to be met for her joining of the Union.

    Whatever word you wish to use, The Texians needed assistance in securing the Texas territory. They found that in the Manifest Destiny seeking U.S. Thus their demands were playing to a greater power offering help.

    Ish
     
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