The Democrats new face in Texas politics

[NeckBeard]

So you think a 3rd party is a more realistic answer than a revolution with the Republican party?

Perot made a huge run at it and Buchanan put some numbers on the board.

We need someone unlike Boehner who is truly willing to shut the gov down and keep the party in line, problem is, the GOP stopped trying to limit or shrink big gov when they realized they could use it for their own selfish aims. With Obamacare seizing control of a huge part of the economy which BHO now dictates and changes capriciously, we are definitely in deep shit. However as long as the average voter has beer, pizza and TV, they wont care especially if daddy gov keeps them checks coming.

I guess thats how political change in the past was different. When the gov jacked up the economy people really felt it. Between the massive gov spending based in debt, people arent feeling the real pain that will eventually show up once the money dries up. People start going hungry, then they will take to the streets, agitating for one side...or the other.

yes, but even so many of those so-called freedom loving patriotic types who preach the NRA and personal liberty etc would never vote for the likes of a ron paul because it means change and that will make a lot of people uncomfortable. The establishment GOP is business as usual and incrementalism which the frog in the water (voter) prefers better.

"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." - Emma Goldman

 

[breakingcontact]

So, the answer you propose? Somehow educate the masses? They are provided their bread and circuses. To me things wont change until the economy collapses.

 

[M. Sage]

I'm afraid that we're stuck on a road with a fork ahead, and the two choices are between Soviet-style slavery and another civil war.

 

[breakingcontact]

I'm afraid that we're stuck on a road with a fork ahead, and the two choices are between Soviet-style slavery and another civil war.

Right. Thats exactly what i meant by the people not being out in the streets until they are hungry and then things will have become so extreme we will go hard left or hard right. I wish we could avoid that but it seams the masses are ignorant and the powers that be are just figuring out how to make money regardless of its from the actual economy or by getting it direct from the gov (GM bailout, ethanol, wind farms and on and on). Heck of a conversation to have on Christmas. I am glad there are some "awake" folks out there both in the trenches and in power but we need way more. And thats my question, how do we effectively get more people on board and more of our people in government?

 

[Chirpy]

I think there is still hope. Voter turnout is the answer, the last Presidential election was decided by I think 45% of the electorate (close enough). Fewer people voted for "The One's" second term than his first, it's just even fewer voted for Romney.

The left gets their fringe splinter groups to turn out, and manage to convince everyone else that it's hopeless and voting doesn't matter. That's is wrong.

Voter turnout is the key, most of those on the dole either won't or can't vote.


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[NeckBeard]

I think there is still hope. Voter turnout is the answer, the last Presidential election was decided by I think 45% of the electorate (close enough). Fewer people voted for "The One's" second term than his first, it's just even fewer voted for Romney.

The left gets their fringe splinter groups to turn out, and manage to convince everyone else that it's hopeless and voting doesn't matter. That's is wrong.

Voter turnout is the key, most of those on the dole either won't or can't vote.


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the GOP will nominate some moderate democrat and the people will stay home over voting for the 3rd party (who espouses the so-called freedom and liberty they want).

the democrats have santa claus and i've yet to see a republican articulate anything well enough to make throngs of idiots not vote for santa claus.

I for one will never vote republican again. The GOP will hand us a chris christie or a paul ryan.

 

[breakingcontact]

Voter turnout is the key, most of those on the dole either won't or can't vote.


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I agree with this. The votes, the numbers are there. I think we get lousy candidates out of the primaries due to the low turnout then lose the general elections for the same reason. The dems understand using "big data" to get the vote out.

 

[breakingcontact]

I for one will never vote republican again. The GOP will hand us a chris christie or a paul ryan.

I just dont see how a third party is likely to rise us compared to rebuilding the GOP in the likeness of Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz et al.

 

[BG1960]

It's hard to accept that the fix is in, but that doesn't change the fact it is.

 

[breakingcontact]

It's hard to accept that the fix is in, but that doesn't change the fact it is.

If we arent working on some alternative plan, then that just sounds like defeatist talk to me and furthers the low voter turn out.

So i suppose we should be engaged in purging the GOP and rebuilding it or establishing some alternative party and seeing it through to political prominence.

 

[M. Sage]

the GOP will nominate some moderate democrat and the people will stay home over voting for the 3rd party (who espouses the so-called freedom and liberty they want).

the democrats have santa claus and i've yet to see a republican articulate anything well enough to make throngs of idiots not vote for santa claus.

I for one will never vote republican again. The GOP will hand us a chris christie or a paul ryan.

This.

The fact is that voter turnout is a symptom, not a cause. You want higher voter turnout, give people something to vote for. Romney vs Obama? Seriously, where's the real difference between the two?

Voters are staying home in droves because there's no reason for them to bother voting. When the choice is a progressive or a progressive, there is no choice.

Maybe we're closer to that Soviet system than I feared...

 

[M. Sage]

If we arent working on some alternative plan, then that just sounds like defeatist talk to me and furthers the low voter turn out.

So i suppose we should be engaged in purging the GOP and rebuilding it or establishing some alternative party and seeing it through to political prominence.

The former has been tried by the Tea Party (one of the reasons I liked the Tea Party so much was as a reformative movement within the GOP), only to have that group coopted and blocked. That's something that has been tried for a long time now with no real headway.

The latter is the only real and peaceful answer, IMO. And even then, we'll have to be very careful to keep it from being coopted by progressives.

 

[breakingcontact]

Ill have to read up about the Tea Party more. It seems less well organized and funded than the "Reform party" but at the same time more successful.

I dont know. We have got to do something. This Obamacare thing should freak people out. Its not just another political football to kick back and forth and debate. Its just plain socialism.

 

[BG1960]

Frog Stew ; the country is slowly coming to a boil and it doesn't know it. Young people are growing up with different values and standards.

I am only 53, but I can see where things are going. Maybe I am a defeatist, but when I take a look at the defeats that conservatism has suffered, I can only conclude there is no win. That guy that was writing about taking guns when old people died, he's right. I don't see any of my nephews or nieces even slightly interested in weapons.

Eric Holder's unique brand of selective law enforcement, the EnEssAye recording everything, endle$$ war$ in BFE while Drug Cartels behead hundreds and hang bodies from overpasses FIVE FREAKING HOURS from my doorstep, it goes on an on. Do not even get me started on Kash 4 Klunkas, the Bailouts, Stimulus - there are so many buyouts and blankets of billions of dollars of debt slathered on the Democrat Faithful I can't even remember them all. Republican'ts roll over like puppies pissing themselves in fear at every confrontation with the Dems. Collectively, there is no fight or will to do the hard work that it would take to turn things around.

This snowball is headed strait for Hell,
the best of the free life is behind us now,
the good times really are over for good. ​

 

[TAZ]

We can't make a huge impact nationally. IMO we need to create division in DC any way possible. Just like they divide us and we can't get squat done that's what needs to happen to the federal government. That cesspool needs to be so wrapped around the axle that they can't pass a single law. While they are tied in knots we can make inroads locally and build up from there.

The 600000000000# gorilla of progressivism can't be eaten in one bite. They got us here over decades of hard work. Unfortunately the reversal will have to be on the same timetable.


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