The Great Debate

[bbbass]

Yep, I was expecting much worse.

It's fishy! Because he wasn't the Joe we've seen all this year. I think when he started to flounder, a little voice in his ear got him back online, or told him to look into the camera and spout off some rehearsed line.

 

[Axxe55]

I think it didn't play well with the party and party base. They know another impeachment in this hour would be a gift to Trump.

Exactly. She was trying to "threaten" Trump, but she knew they got handed their heads on platters with the last "impeachment" hearing!

 

[Axxe55]

It's fishy! Because he wasn't the Joe we've seen all this year. I think when he started to flounder, a little voice in his ear got him back online, or told him to look into the camera and spout off some rehearsed line.

That is pretty close to what I saw last night and was thinking.

It appears you were seeing what I saw as well.

 

[gambler]

Exactly. Good points.

Let the Democrats refuse. It probably won't stop her getting appointed though.

Nancy pulled off the "impeachment" threat the other day! She knows it's a weak attempt to counter Trump's nomination, and it could backfire on the Democrats, just like the last "impeachment"!

How did the last impeachment backfire on the dems ? I can't tell that it had any impact at all on the dems. It just tied up congress and spent a lot of time and money which is all they wanted to do. They knew the outcome before they started and it made Adam Schiff a movie star.

 

[gambler]

Exactly. She was trying to "threaten" Trump, but she knew they got handed their heads on platters with the last "impeachment" hearing!

"Got handed their heads on platters"....really ? They were very successful. They impeached Donald Trump ! Victory !

 

[Axxe55]

How did the last impeachment backfire on the dems ? I can't tell that it had any impact at all on the dems. It just tied up congress and spent a lot of time and money which is all they wanted to do. They knew the outcome before they started and it made Adam Schiff a movie star and Jerry Nadler a complete idiot.

Seriously? Did you even watch the impeachment hearing or watch the impeachment trial?

Apparently not. The Democrats lost a lot of credibility even with Democrat voters.

 

[Dougw1515]

He dodged the question Gambler. He was asked a direct question.

Answering the question would have been answered such as, "NO, I will not pack the courts with judges." or, "Yes, we will pack the courts to get a majority."

So no, Biden didn't answer the question. He deflected the question, by giving the answer he did.

He replied to the question. He did not answer the question.

 

[Axxe55]

"Got handed their heads on platters"....really ? They were very successful. They impeached Donald Trump ! Victory !

Again, are you serious?

Yes, they did impeach Trump, but he was acquitted in the impeachment trial and is still the President!

 

[gambler]

Seriously? Did you even watch the impeachment hearing or watch the impeachment trial?

Apparently not. The Democrats lots a lot of credibility even with Democrat voters.

Watched every bit of it. Can't tell that they lost any credibility and won't cost them a single democrat vote that I'm aware of. Can you present your data that shows how many democratic voters they lost by impeaching Trump ? I must have missed that somewhere.

 

[Dougw1515]

I really hate to play Captain Obvious, but what is the purpose of this thread when we already have one that was started last night on the same subject?

9-29-2020 debate/toddnjoyce commentary thread.

Let's discuss the most important presidential debate of multiple generations. Gonna eat and clean up supper. Set my ass down in a big comfy chair and watch DJT kick some ass. Stay tuned......

www.texasguntalk.com

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Simple! To make people like you ask questions like that! LOL jest pokin'!

/S hahaha

 

[gambler]

Again, are you serious?

Yes, they did impeach Trump, but he was acquitted in the impeachment trial and is still the President!

How is that "getting their heads handed to them on platters" ?

They knew the republican Senate would never convict him.

 

[gambler]

Simple! To make people like you ask questions like that! LOL jest pokin'!

/S hahaha

Oh Doug you are such a scamp !

 

[Axxe55]

Watched every bit of it. Can't tell that they lost any credibility and won't cost them a single democrat vote that I'm aware of. Can you present your data that shows how many democratic voters they lost by impeaching Trump ? I must have missed that somewhere.

Whatever Gambler!

 

[gambler]

Whatever Gambler!

So you don't have any data or statistics to support your wild claims ? You really should consider that before making those posts.

 

[Axxe55]

How is that "getting their heads handed to them on platters" ?

They knew the republican Senate would never convict him.

Again, whatever Gambler.

So if the Democrats knew they would never get a conviction in the Senate, then why did they even bother with the impeachment?

Because they really thought they would get a conviction! It was another tactic to further discredit Trump in the election this year. It failed big time.

 

[gambler]

Again, whatever Gambler.

So if the Democrats knew they would never get a conviction in the Senate, then why did they even bother with the impeachment?

Because they really thought they would get a conviction! It was another tactic to further discredit Trump in the election this year. It failed big time.

Oh my goodness, you really should pay more attention to what is going on. Not one soul in the socialist party that they had a snowball's chance in **** of getting a conviction from a republican majority senate.

They bothered it because they thought impeaching him was a feather in their cap. Actually no one gives a sh!t !

 

[Dougw1515]

Again, whatever Gambler.

So if the Democrats knew they would never get a conviction in the Senate, then why did they even bother with the impeachment?

Because they really thought they would get a conviction! It was another tactic to further discredit Trump in the election this year. It failed big time.

Gotta disagree with you on this one... Dimm's had no chance of conviction - NONE! They knew that. What the impeachment exercise provided the Dimm's was the opportunity to pander to their base. Sling crap at Trump kinna hoping something would stick but not really caring one way or the other. IMMHO... Pizz'lousy ended up... exactly where she thought she would in the beginning!

 

[Axxe55]

So you don't have any data or statistics to support your wild claims ? You really should consider that before making those posts.

House Democrat To Switch Parties Over Impeachment; Staff Members Resign En Masse

Rep. Jeff Van Drew's decision to join the Republican ranks illustrates the challenging political calculus facing moderate Democrats who represent swing districts ahead of the impeachment vote.

www.npr.org

Life after impeachment: Where do the Democrats go from here? | Cas Mudde

The Democrats knew impeachment was a political risk, but they put country over party – unlike Republicans. They should embrace that message

www.theguardian.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/03/americans-are-split-impeachment-just-like-they-were-before-public-hearings/

Column: Trump impeachment backfires on Democrats, and Nancy Pelosi has a meltdown

The partisan impeachment of President Donald Trump finally passed, mercifully, like a kidney stone, with Democrats grimacing helplessly during acquittal in the Senate on Wednesday. It’s over.…

www.chicagotribune.com

New Hampshire voters say Trump impeachment could ‘backfire’ on Democrats

DERRY, N.H. — Impeaching President Trump may “backfire” on Democrats in the 2020 election, some New Hampshire voters warned the day after the House of Representatives’ deepl…

www.bostonherald.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/11/27/democrats-impeachment-obsession-is-backfiring/

Voters Rarely Switch Parties, but Recent Shifts Further Educational, Racial Divergence

Neither party nets an overall advantage from the 9% of voters who have switched since 2018.

www.pewresearch.org

Republicans see impeachment backfiring. Democrats fear they may be right

By Gabriella Borter, Brendan O'Brien, Andrew Hay and Zachary Fagenson

www.reuters.com

Eight elected officials switch party affiliation to Republican in Mississippi - Washington Examiner

Six Democrats and two independent elected officials have defected and joined the Mississippi Republican Party.“We have had a relentless focus on switching conservative Democrats over to the Republican Party," Mississippi GOP Chairman Lucien Smith said to WLBT News. "They recognize increasingly...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[gambler]

So, how many switched ?

 

[Axxe55]

Gotta disagree with you on this one... Dimm's had no chance of conviction - NONE! They knew that. What the impeachment exercise provided the Dimm's was the opportunity to pander to their base. Sling crap at Trump kinna hoping something would stick but not really caring one way or the other. IMMHO... Pizz'lousy ended up... exactly where she thought she would in the beginning!

Schiff and Nadler really thought they had the proof that would get Trump unseated. Pelosi wanted to think she would get bi-partisan support, but that never happened.

But she was already committed to the impeachment. I think she was hoping Schiff and Nadler actually had the proof to get Trump impeached. Didn't happen, because Schiff and Nadler had nothing!