Thinking about another 1911

[oldag]

9mm is not a con. Its older than the .45 by a few years, and despite being on the losing end of 2 world wars, has displaced .45acp, .38spl, .40s&w, 10mm, .357sig, and .45gap amongst others in the hands of serious users is seriously impressive.

There's very little difference between service calibers ballistics wise

But there's a big difference between them capacity, and cost per round wise, and 9mm beats them all there

Little difference in 230 grains moving 850-1000 fps and 115 grains moving 1100 fps? I don't think so.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Little difference in 230 grains moving 850-1000 fps and 115 grains moving 1100-1300 fps? I don't think so.

Well, to be fair, if you are going to include +p ammo fps in the .45, you should for the 9mm as well.

 

[oldag]

Well, to be fair, if you are going to include +p ammo fps in the .45, you should for the 9mm as well.

I'm not familiar with 9 mm, not owning one. But even with the added information, the point still stands.

 

[Moonpie]

OP just called and invited me to go to the range today and shoot his new WC 9mm.

 

[easy rider]

OP just called and invited me to go to the range today and shoot his new WC 9mm.

Pics or GTFO!

 

[sidebite252]

I’m getting the itch for another 1911. Unfortunately, I can’t afford both right now. What do y’all think?

Sure you can. That’s what credit cards are for! Buy ‘em both!

 

[easy rider]

Sure you can. That’s what credit cards are for! Buy ‘em both!

I'd be happy to use your credit card.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Sure you can. That’s what credit cards are for! Buy ‘em both!

Worst idea ever...

 

[zackmars]

Little difference in 230 grains moving 850-1000 fps and 115 grains moving 1100 fps? I don't think so.

It's not going about 2100 fps, it doesn't matter since you wont get hydrostatic shock.

ANYTHING that doesn't go that fast is just making a hole

So yes, there is no difference.

And 115gr is light for caliber, standard loading (like what 230 is for .45acp) is 124gr

 

[zackmars]

I'm not familiar with 9 mm, not owning one. But even with the added information, the point still stands.

Sorry, but there is no point.

The only things that matter in a handgun caliber

·capacity
·penetration

Everything else is a bonus

Bullet technology has brought all service pistol calibers up to par, to where the only things that make a difference is cost and capacity

 

[zackmars]

It can be in a 1911, for many reasons. Ballistic performance isn’t one of them.

Too bad they're both about equal when it comes to ballistics

Its .45 vs 9mm, not 9mm vs .223

 

[ZX9RCAM]

Bullet technology has brought all service pistol calibers up to par, to where the only things that make a difference is cost and capacity

I still don't get this.
If one caliber was better before bullet technology improved, wouldn't that caliber still be better, if all bullets are equal?

 

[SQLGeek]

That assumes that equal improvements are shared across all cartridges.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

That assumes that equal improvements are shared across all cartridges.

I'm talking 9, 40 and 45.
And the claimed improvement was solely bullet technology.

 

[Moonpie]

Bullets, schumullets!

Where are pics of OP's new gun?!?!?!

 

[oldag]

Sorry, but there is no point.

The only things that matter in a handgun caliber

·capacity
·penetration

Everything else is a bonus

Bullet technology has brought all service pistol calibers up to par, to where the only things that make a difference is cost and capacity

.45 has roughly twice the momentum to impart on the target. Basic physics, that cannot be argued. Significantly larger expanded diameter, another basic fact that cannot be argued. Bigger hole equals more damage, more bleeding, more nerves screaming.

I have read and heard too many instances of 9 mm not stopping threats.

Obviously, others are free to make their own choices.

 

[pronstar]

I still don't get this.
If one caliber was better before bullet technology improved, wouldn't that caliber still be better, if all bullets are equal?

I think we reach a point of diminishing returns.

A 12-pound sledgehammer carries more energy than a 10-pounder, but I don’t think I’ll notice a difference if I drop one on my foot.


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[SQLGeek]

I'm talking 9, 40 and 45.
And the claimed improvement was solely bullet technology.

So am I.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

So am I.

Sorry.
Are you saying improvements on the bullets across the three calibers are not equal?

I just presumed they were.


ETA: And I had stated that the improvements were equal.

 

[TheMailMan]

It's not going about 2100 fps, it doesn't matter since you wont get hydrostatic shock.

ANYTHING that doesn't go that fast is just making a hole

So yes, there is no difference.

And 115gr is light for caliber, standard loading (like what 230 is for .45acp) is 124gr

115 gr has been the standard for 9mm for years. Hell, back in the day it was the ONLY loading.