Thoughts on Perimeter Defense Rifle

[ZX9RCAM]

I would think the 30-06 should be first, pick off 1 or 2 (or more) from a distance and give them something to think about.
If they continue to advance, then the AR with the 100rd drum, to put down some fire.

 

[TheMailMan]

I too will recommend an ACOG, specifically the TA31RCO. That's the one we used in the Marine Corps.

PMAGs, only way to go as far as magazines.

Thermal? Absolutely if you can afford it.

Suppressor? Again, if you can afford it they are definitely worth having.

Have you handled a larger 308 sized AR? If that is too much weapon, here's some food for thought. The advice about a 300BLK is sound and on a regular AR you can have an upper in both 556 and 300BLK.

Also, I would recommend a 16" barrel, especially if going suppressed. A can on the end of longer barrels can be unwieldy for some. A 16" barrel will have no problem at those distances and the can will gain you back a few FPS.

There's at least one company that is building a 7.52x51 AR that's almost exactly the same as the mouse caliber.

https://pof-usa.com/firearms/revolution/

 

[Big Green]

There's at least one company that is building a 7.52x51 AR that's almost exactly the same as the mouse caliber.

https://pof-usa.com/firearms/revolution/

Very interesting weapon. I would say though that for a SHTF weapon I bet the OP would prefer something more standardized.

 

[Moonpie]

 

[ZX9RCAM]

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Hah!
This would probably work...

 

[baboon]

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So are your gun emplacement harden or sand bagged?

 

[TxStetson]

The two bolt-action rifles you have should dissuade any evildoers at the 300-150yd distances you have. If the perps are more brave than smart and keep coming, any AR carbine with iron sights or a red dot will do. Even a good .30-30 levergun will handle that situation.....

....unless you're expecting the Chinese Army to cross the river. In that case, you should probably move.

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Finally, after all the posts someone said something that makes sense.

 

[easy rider]

Wait! The Chinese army has invaded?

 

[Big Green]

Wait! The Chinese army has invaded?

Wolverines!

 

[Moonpie]

So are your gun emplacement harden or sand bagged?

Both.
Field of Fire open and smooth to 400meters.
Advance lanes have multiple punji stake pits.
Firing slits closable. Ammo at each.
Foo gas barrels primed.
I refer to it as my E-Maginot Line.

 

[easy rider]

Both.
Field of Fire open and smooth to 400meters.
Advance lanes have multiple punji stake pits.
Firing slits closable. Ammo at each.
Foo gas barrels primed.
I refer to it as my E-Maginot Line.

So you're that guy?

 

[avvidclif]

If it comes to that law enforcement will be zero, concentrate on survival. Trespasser will be shot, survivors shot again.

 

[McCrapper]

I dont think a bump stock would be anywhere in my arsenal.

Finally, after all the posts someone said something that makes sense.

Very few even addressed the questions the guy asked.

 

[BRD@66]

Heck, I'm gonna move in with Moonpie.

 

[Moonpie]

Heck, I'm gonna move in with Moonpie.

 

[oldag]

True, but if want something to move around quickly and shoot on the fly, I would stick to the AR15 set up.

I just don't see much difference in carrying a few pounds more. But maybe that is just me.

Just like the discussion folks have over ounces difference in pistol weight, when a person's body weight fluctuates several pounds over the course of 24 hours.

 

[TheMailMan]

Ounces = pounds, pounds = pain.

If you were ever in the infantry you'd understand.

 

[avvidclif]

You mean that 400 lb pack that you took on a stroll thru the woods???

 

[Ole Cowboy]

This has been a fun exercise and a learning one too. Glad I am not the only one to overthink this and I appreciate the info and especially like Ole Cowboy's perspective and setup. I ran this issue past another local around here and he said he had a vehicle barrier that he could slip into place behind his cattle gate given 15 minutes and the forks on his tractor. That means anyone coming in would have to cross 400 yards of open space with no cover. He suggested an AR15 with a bump stock and a 100 rd mag so you could spray an unholy amount of lead in the general direction of any intruders and that should send them running. If not, then he plans on using a 30-06 with good optics to pick off as many as possible with the realization that once they get close you are pretty much toast anyway.

Interesting how different people view this issue.

In reality the way I see it its 13 days of the Alamo. If they want you they are going to win. This is what makes China so fearsome. The ONLY way the Chinese will ever be defeated is in a scorched earth war and we have to go full nuke on day one, hour 1.

Since you are rural like I am your best approach is to engage a the MAX range possible either with pinpoint fires or massed fires via FA or bump stock approach, all in hopes that will scare them off and then will just head down the road. On the other hand you run the risk of sending the message there is REALLY something there worth having. IMO high intensity fires are less effective that a AR10 in .308 or 6.5CM and engaging at 800 m and using a 'can' is highly effective...as you stand there nearly a click away talking to your buddy only to see his head explode. I have been engaged with sniper fire on my location (OP) and it does pucker you. Sadly my partner this was his first day and while he did not get hit he affected so much we put him on helicopter the next morning back to the rear and never saw him again.

I think in most cases engaging at max will send them looking for greener pastures. FA fires are not very effective, but they are psychologically effective for very short periods of time I think they will only scare off the weak.

If I had to pick a single round, single gun it would be an AR10 in 6.5CM, this opens up a box full of AR 10 uppers in anything based upon the .308 such as the .338L, 6.5CM and of course .308 and others...one gun many calibers, many barrel lengths and configurations, one with a can, another w/out.

Want to keep folks off your property put up this sign at every point of entrance or access: "Game cameras in use". I also have several dummy cameras in clear and open view of all my gates, pointed at my gates. I don't have 'No Trespassing' signs up because in my opinion they are nothing but a 'welcome' sign. I also have one sign that says: 'This gate locked for your protection, not mine.'

All in all I would say in all likelihood you have little to worry about, but for the same reason you have a fire extinguisher and carry insurance you should be well prepared and well armed.

 

[Darkpriest667]

I'm not the "expert" but I would have to agree with Ole Cowboy's assessment... the longer engagement range plus the can will deter anyone who's not completely committed to taking and holding your area.