Thoughts on this? Man shoot an unarmed robber gets arrested.

[Renegade]

Guy is as dumb as a box of rocks.

Suspect Jackson was transported to DallasPD Headquarters where he wasadvised that he wasbeing detained under investigation and read the Miranda warning. Suspect Jackson stated that he understood his rights and waived them, consenting to an interview.

 

[GeauxLSU]

Guy is as dumb as a box of rocks.

Suspect Jackson was transported to DallasPD Headquarters where he wasadvised that he wasbeing detained under investigation and read the Miranda warning. Suspect Jackson stated that he understood his rights and waived them, consenting to an interview.

Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.
Hate it for him.

 

[Renegade]

TPC9.42 is conditional upon TPC9.41 being fulfilled. 9.41 references one’s own personal property.

9.43 covers property of a third person. It says if 9.41 or 9.42 are met AND
Either The “good guy” needed to reasonable believe a theft has occurred OR
The good guy was asked to help, had a legal duty to help, or the land/proprety was under his care

THEN good guy had legal justification to use force or deadly force to protect someone else’s land or property.

Except "good guy" talked to police without a lawyer, and locked himself into a story that he shot out of concern for the safety of the two women, not to protect property:

Suspect Jackson stated that he saw the altercation and became concerned for the safety of the two women who worked at the store that were being assaulted.

It also seems the two women had opened up simultaneous cans of whoop ass and were giving the deceased an ass whooping:

Surveillance video footage showed complainant Betts assault the witnesses and showed witness 1 striking him with a stick at one point. Immediately before suspect Jackson shot complainant, he was running towards the door and being hit by both witnesses, who then moved and were not near him when suspect shot and Killed complainant Betts.

 

[cycleguy2300]

Agree, lots of gray area in this case. Based on the available information and sticking to a strict interpretation of the elements of TPC 9 Subchapter C, I can see it going either way.

Even with a strict interpretation, the question in my mind is (without having watched a video or anything) "is it reasonable for him to fear SBI?".

Was it a theft (shoplifting) where he discarded the property and was simply fleeing or was he attempting to maintain control over stolen property during the assault?

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[Renegade]

Immediately before suspect Jackson shot complainant, he was running towards the door and being hit by both witnesses, who then moved and were not near him when suspect shot and Killed complainant Betts.

In California, if Betts had returned fire, he would not be charged.

A man who fatally shot a Chevron station clerk during a robbery in Antioch, California, will not be facing murder charges, prosecutors for the case have said, arguing that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing, his shooting back would be considered self-defense

No murder charge for California robber who fatally shot gas station clerk

Prosecutors said that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing the scene, his shooting back would be considered self-defence.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[GeauxLSU]

In California, if Betts had returned fire, he would not be charged.

A man who fatally shot a Chevron station clerk during a robbery in Antioch, California, will not be facing murder charges, prosecutors for the case have said, arguing that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing, his shooting back would be considered self-defense

No murder charge for California robber who fatally shot gas station clerk

Prosecutors said that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing the scene, his shooting back would be considered self-defence.

thepostmillennial.com

So if he would have "shot back' at a cop he'd be GTG?
Freaking Cali....

 

[cycleguy2300]

In California, if Betts had returned fire, he would not be charged.

A man who fatally shot a Chevron station clerk during a robbery in Antioch, California, will not be facing murder charges, prosecutors for the case have said, arguing that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing, his shooting back would be considered self-defense

No murder charge for California robber who fatally shot gas station clerk

Prosecutors said that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing the scene, his shooting back would be considered self-defence.

thepostmillennial.com

Wow, just wow. How fucked up do you have to be to justify that.

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[Sam7sf]

Oak Cliff is the armpit of the metroplex…

My work home.

 

[V-Tach]

Ultimately it will go to a jury...no way the grand jury will no bill him....DA will make sure of it....

It will be a hard case for a defense attorney since he already "testified" to the cops.......as stated many times earlier in this thread...moron.....

Maybe our DFW members will keep us apprised............

 

[innominate]

Oak Cliff is the armpit of the metroplex…

I worked at methodist Charlton (sp?) and lived near medical center for a spell in the late 2000s.

 

[Bullsi]

According to search records, Jackson does not have a criminal history. He waited for police to arrive and agreed to an interview at headquarters.

Jackson said he was "concerned for the safety of the two women" and aimed for Betts’ leg. It’s unclear where Betts was hit.


The above was perhaps the biggest mistake this man could have made in this situation.

”I’m glad my client talked to the police” said no attorney, ever.

I feared for the life of the two women. I want a lawyer before I answer more questions.

 

[Aus_Schwaben]

Here is a case where it goes farther - clerk went after two robbers after they left. He opened fire on the thieves and they returned fired. The clerk was killed and, wait for it, they are not charging the thief who killed him with murder because it was "self defense."

MSN

www.msn.com

 

[Renegade]

Here is a case where it goes farther - clerk went after two robbers after they left. He opened fire on the thieves and they returned fired. The clerk was killed and, wait for it, they are not charging the thief who killed him with murder because it was "self defense."

MSN

www.msn.com

See Post #65

 

[hullhullhull]

In California, if Betts had returned fire, he would not be charged.

A man who fatally shot a Chevron station clerk during a robbery in Antioch, California, will not be facing murder charges, prosecutors for the case have said, arguing that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing, his shooting back would be considered self-defense

No murder charge for California robber who fatally shot gas station clerk

Prosecutors said that because the suspect was shot at while fleeing the scene, his shooting back would be considered self-defence.

thepostmillennial.com

I think there is an analysis of this on the law of self defense YouTube

 

[Tnhawk]

See Post #65

What happens in california, needs to stay in california.

 

[Renegade]

What happens in california, needs to stay in california.

That is a mandate I can support.

 

[Vaquero]

And, Jasper the colon, with Vidor the anus !

Someone hasn't been to Orla.

 

[mamboloco]

Interesting takes here, and so many elements. If he had left the store and had come back to fight, how would the shooter know it was robbery or stopping him from fleeing with goods? all he saw was altercation and fists going around.

Did the woman ask for assistance? 'Stop him!' etc

But yeah, guy opened his mouth and pegged his story to shooting him in the leg to stop him..

It's all up to the DA, but this doesn't look good for the shooter. Not self defense, not laddies defense, just the robbery part.

 

[RickP]

Dallas store customer facing murder charge for shooting unarmed robber

A Dallas man is charged with murder for shooting and killing an unarmed robber he believed was attacking two dollar store employees. After the shooting, the man stayed on the scene and spoke with police.

www.fox4news.com

The man was punching a woman, (force disparity) but not deadly force, so not justified, right? even if it was during the commission of a felony (robbery)?

You already shown that you have no idea. Say disparity of force then say "not deadly force"? How do you know? Disparity of force is male against female, healthy against the infirmed, one against many, a known trained combat expert against regular joe...........

 

[teebagginwagon]

How many punches to kill a woman?

+ the key word ............robbery......armed or not...

If I were on the Jury he'd walk........

It may have been a political arrest......knowing he was justified but arresting him to avoid protests............

We can talk about this all day. I was raised to never hit a woman. Not to mention he was doing so while commiting a crime. Maybe this man robbing the store didn't deserve to lose his life however, I believe it was justified. Kevin Jackson should man should be set free.