Tulsa Store Armed Robbery

[jbgramps]

The robber had to be higher than a kite. I mean he was shot at, ran out the door, then comes back in and gets shot on the way back in, starts talking the the Mom, getting shot by the daughter, takes Mom's gun, gets shot again and try's to shoot the daughter before falling down.

This guy was either drugged out of his mind or the stupidest person alive.

 

[ZX9RCAM]

This guy was either drugged out of his mind or the stupidest person alive.

Or both....

 

[oldag]

The biggest takeaway from this story is to not carry or use anything like a weak 9mm against a determined or drugged up assailant.

FIFY

 

[oldag]

Lucky that one gal did not shoot the other one when she fired into the struggle.

Where are all the "all you need is a .22 and shot placement" proponents?

 

[karlac]

Lucky that one gal did not shoot the other one when she fired into the struggle.
Where are all the "all you need is a .22 and shot placement" proponents?

More often than not "proximity" is the key for that to be successful ... no powder burn, no joy.

 

[pharmaco]

Or at least find out which liquor store it was and avoid it!

Do you not already avoid anything in Oklahoma as a rule already?

 

[Charlie]

I avoid Oklahoma except to visit my daughter and family.

 

[CLC379]

Holy Chit! Doesn't seem like the girls handled that quite in the correct manner!

beats the hell out of those coward county deputies

 

[CLC379]

They better be if they are going to continue working in a liquor store in Tulsa! My daughter and her family live in a small town close to Tulsa (Bixby). Parts of Tulsa are pretty damn rough!

there is a hill in tulsa nick named monkey island, monkey hill or something similar,,,,i was given directions to a friends place and warned to avoid that hill, still wonder if he didnt send me up that hill on purpose, black people setting on porches started yelling, hey you dont belong here, get out etc. then about a dozen young kids came running at my truck with long sticks and throwing pea size gravel at me, it was funny as hell wish i had a video back in them days

 

[digger]

Bet that was a 22LR. Protection in a store like that should be 45acp or maybe 38spcl. Something with stopping power so one hit ends the fight! Plus a dead perp won't heal up and return for payback!!

 

[heavygunner8]

FIFY

You do realize 45acp vs 40 vs 9 debate has been settled with countless tests posted all over the internet and youtube right? The rate of incapacitation between all 3 calibers (high quality hollow points) are negligible.

 

[TxStetson]

You do realize 45acp vs 40 vs 9 debate has been settled with countless tests posted all over the internet and youtube right? The rate of incapacitation between all 3 calibers (high quality hollow points) are negligible.

According to all the 9mm shooters anyway.

 

[General Zod]

Actually they tell us all we need is a single shot. "If you can't hit the target with one shot then you need marksmanship training". That's an actual quote from a opinion letter in the Dallas Morning News last week.

Probably written by someone who's never touched a firearm in their life.

 

[oldag]

You do realize 45acp vs 40 vs 9 debate has been settled with countless tests posted all over the internet and youtube right? The rate of incapacitation between all 3 calibers (high quality hollow points) are negligible.

Were those tests conducted on human beings? I think not.

No, it has not been settled. Having friends and family in law enforcement, I have heard too many stories of multiple 9 mm rounds not stopping someone. Read too many accounts of the same.

Looking at comparable JHP's, the .45 has 50% more momentum. And makes a larger hole.

 

[BRD@66]

 

[Charlie]

This, for sure ^^^^^^^^!

 

[heavygunner8]

Were those tests conducted on human beings? I think not.

You are incorrect. Below article is based on data from real shootings. Google will find you many more if you'd like. What you "heard" doesn't count, it's about as useful as anecdotal evidence.


Took two seconds to google: http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/defensive-carry-caliber-and-incapacitation/2/

That leaves the 9mm, .40 and .45. There is a remarkable similarity in performance between these three rounds. They all stop about half of the attackers with one shot, and have a failure rate of 13 to 15 percent. Despite all the bluster you see on the Internet about not carrying a defensive pistol unless the caliber “starts with a 4” — the .40 and .45 do not perform significantly better than the 9mm in real life gunfights.

This, for sure ^^^^^^^^!

Except I wasn't the one that decided to do a "FTFY" and post incorrect information to start this whole dead horse thing.

 

[Vaquero]

LMAO

 

[Charlie]

Everything on the internet by someone is ............. anecdotal. And we've all read internet crap for years. Carry the caliber you like, period!

 

[heavygunner8]

Everything on the internet by someone is ............. anecdotal. And we've all read internet crap for years. Carry the caliber you like, period!

Pretty sure "data on nearly 2,000 shootings over the course of 10 years of research" isn't close to anecdotal. Unless we're redefining the word.