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Uh oh, THIS thread again: legalization of drugs

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cozmolyne, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. Cozmolyne

    Cozmolyne Member

    Feb 27, 2013
    So I did a thread a LOOOONG time ago about legalization of Mary Jane. I'd figure I'd do a thread about drug legalization in its entirety. LSD, Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, Marjiuana, the whole lot. PLEASE keep it civil.

    Personally, I'm on the fence about it.

    Best case scenario: if we legalized it all, the cartels would most likely go away, crime in general would drop and our prisons won't be so crowded.

    Worst case scenario: people who were too afraid to try the hard stuff like Meth, Heroin, and Cocaine would try it and lord knows what they'll do. However, I'm passionately against the government telling anyone what to put in their bodies.

    At the very least, I think drugs like LSD, Marijuana, Saliva, etc. should be legal.

  2. txinvestigator

    txinvestigator TGT Addict

    May 28, 2008
    Ft Worth, TX
    How old are you, do you have children, what drugs do you take? Pot is a drug
  3. txbikerman

    txbikerman TGT Addict

    Jul 10, 2013
    i am against making any of them legal
  4. BG1960

    BG1960 Well-Known

    this ought be entertaining.
  5. benenglish

    benenglish Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Lifetime Member Admin

    Nov 22, 2011
    Experience abroad has shown that controlled legalization of marijuana is not a problem. It's possible to screw up the process but the drug isn't harmful enough (even the newest, strongest stuff) to cause major problems.

    Other drugs need to be treated case by case.

    Take alcohol. Legal, controlled, but it still causes great harm to society. However, we've got a handle on it for the most part. When we don't have a handle on it, it wrecks peoples bodies and their ability to function. It can be *very* bad news.

    However, 100+ years ago, we had a near-perfect cure for alcoholism. It was called heroin. In prescribed, monitored dosages, heroin addicts can have their fix without ravaging their body the way alcohol does. Britain's state-funded and -supplied heroin addicts are often perfectly wonderful contributing members of society; they just don't drive cars and are never allowed to have enough of the stuff at one time to re-sell it or harm themselves. So, I could live with legalizing heroin, given smart administration of the process. Asking our government (and yes, this is something that would have to be done by government) to intelligently administer anything, however, seems like a foolish bet these days.

    Other drugs become more problematical. Of course, the libertarian in me says to make it all legal. Likewise, the libertarian in me totally rejects the notion that driving drunk should be a crime. After all, until you hurt somebody, what's the harm? (If you hurt somebody, of course, you should have the jailhouse dropped on you, says my libertarian self.) That pure libertarianism, however, doesn't work in the real world.

    LSD is arguably safe. It's also arguably one of the few drugs that can come back to bite you in the ass decades after you took one hit.

    Cocaine is not safe but not immediately life-threatening. However, having had many friends with bad cocaine habits, the way it changes people is never in the public interest. I can't see any form of it being considered sufficiently harmless (or controllable) as to justify broad legalization. That goes triple for crack.

    Forms of meth works differently, can be horrifically abused, but have shown significant medical usefulness. I wouldn't be in favor of making it any more available than it already is.

    Sativa is just weird. It seems harmless as long as you have trusted friends to babysit your experimentation. I can't really condone encouraging the use of a drug that can't (and it's just my opinion that it can't) be used reasonably safely by a single person.

    Just some initial thoughts. I'll sit back and see what others say for a while.
  6. PhulesAu

    PhulesAu Well-Known

    Jul 26, 2013
    Texas, Mostly
    And what makes you think this gov't, could "properly" administer this program????
  7. benenglish

    benenglish Lifetime Supporter Staff Member Lifetime Member Admin

    Nov 22, 2011
    Not much. I said it would be a "foolish bet".
  8. Mexican_Hippie

    Mexican_Hippie MODERATOR TGT Supporter

    Feb 4, 2009
    Fort Worth
    My inclination is towards legalization. Not just a flip of the switch but a slow phased process where results can be monitored and the process can be paused.

    In theory we'd trade off tons of drug business murders for far fewer crazed lunatic murders. We'd trade off massive enforcement spending. Still it's mostly theory until it's actually done in our society/culture.

    I don't think it would wreck any more lives than alcohol, but again, that's my opinion not fact.
  9. Hoji

    Hoji Bowling-Pin Commando

    May 28, 2008
    Mustang Ridge
    If tobacco is legal, then everything else should be as well. Tobacco kills more people annually than all illegal drugs combined. My belief is that if it does not affect the life, liberty, or property of someone else it should not be a crime.
  10. Mexican_Hippie

    Mexican_Hippie MODERATOR TGT Supporter

    Feb 4, 2009
    Fort Worth
    I have 4 kids and use caffeine (daily) and alcohol (infrequently) just for everyone's edification.

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