Uh oh, THIS thread again: legalization of drugs

Cozmolyne

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So I did a thread a LOOOONG time ago about legalization of Mary Jane. I'd figure I'd do a thread about drug legalization in its entirety. LSD, Cocaine, Heroin, Meth, Marjiuana, the whole lot. PLEASE keep it civil.

Personally, I'm on the fence about it.

Best case scenario: if we legalized it all, the cartels would most likely go away, crime in general would drop and our prisons won't be so crowded.

Worst case scenario: people who were too afraid to try the hard stuff like Meth, Heroin, and Cocaine would try it and lord knows what they'll do. However, I'm passionately against the government telling anyone what to put in their bodies.

At the very least, I think drugs like LSD, Marijuana, Saliva, etc. should be legal.
 

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Experience abroad has shown that controlled legalization of marijuana is not a problem. It's possible to screw up the process but the drug isn't harmful enough (even the newest, strongest stuff) to cause major problems.

Other drugs need to be treated case by case.

Take alcohol. Legal, controlled, but it still causes great harm to society. However, we've got a handle on it for the most part. When we don't have a handle on it, it wrecks peoples bodies and their ability to function. It can be *very* bad news.

However, 100+ years ago, we had a near-perfect cure for alcoholism. It was called heroin. In prescribed, monitored dosages, heroin addicts can have their fix without ravaging their body the way alcohol does. Britain's state-funded and -supplied heroin addicts are often perfectly wonderful contributing members of society; they just don't drive cars and are never allowed to have enough of the stuff at one time to re-sell it or harm themselves. So, I could live with legalizing heroin, given smart administration of the process. Asking our government (and yes, this is something that would have to be done by government) to intelligently administer anything, however, seems like a foolish bet these days.

Other drugs become more problematical. Of course, the libertarian in me says to make it all legal. Likewise, the libertarian in me totally rejects the notion that driving drunk should be a crime. After all, until you hurt somebody, what's the harm? (If you hurt somebody, of course, you should have the jailhouse dropped on you, says my libertarian self.) That pure libertarianism, however, doesn't work in the real world.

LSD is arguably safe. It's also arguably one of the few drugs that can come back to bite you in the ass decades after you took one hit.

Cocaine is not safe but not immediately life-threatening. However, having had many friends with bad cocaine habits, the way it changes people is never in the public interest. I can't see any form of it being considered sufficiently harmless (or controllable) as to justify broad legalization. That goes triple for crack.

Forms of meth works differently, can be horrifically abused, but have shown significant medical usefulness. I wouldn't be in favor of making it any more available than it already is.

Sativa is just weird. It seems harmless as long as you have trusted friends to babysit your experimentation. I can't really condone encouraging the use of a drug that can't (and it's just my opinion that it can't) be used reasonably safely by a single person.

Just some initial thoughts. I'll sit back and see what others say for a while.
 

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My inclination is towards legalization. Not just a flip of the switch but a slow phased process where results can be monitored and the process can be paused.

In theory we'd trade off tons of drug business murders for far fewer crazed lunatic murders. We'd trade off massive enforcement spending. Still it's mostly theory until it's actually done in our society/culture.

I don't think it would wreck any more lives than alcohol, but again, that's my opinion not fact.
 

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If tobacco is legal, then everything else should be as well. Tobacco kills more people annually than all illegal drugs combined. My belief is that if it does not affect the life, liberty, or property of someone else it should not be a crime.
 

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How old are you, do you have children, what drugs do you take? Pot is a drug
I have 4 kids and use caffeine (daily) and alcohol (infrequently) just for everyone's edification.
 
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