UPS Store refused to ship empty pistol magazine

BuzzinSATX

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Dec 20, 2013
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Wow. When did this policy change?

I owe UPS and FedEX for most of my milsurp collection from 2004 to 2012. I got to know the UPS driver from my area well back when I had my C&R.
I have always assumed that the only place I can ship firearms is at the FedEx terminal or UPS terminal. I know that the satellite stores won’t ship them.

I’m not in FFL, but when shipping to Glock in other locations, I ship when I can without using a dealer. However, I didn’t think parts were banned. Like I said, lesson learned.
 

Ozzman

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It was a casual conversation really, lady asks me what’s in the box, and I said a magazine for a handgun. I told her it was unloaded and no ammo was in the package. That’s when she told me I couldn’t ship it. Up until then, I didn’t think it was an issue, so I didn’t think I had a reason to hide it. Guess I’ll know next time then I’ll be way more vague, but I’m not about hiding what I do either.

Ultimately, I’m going to a business for a service. They have the right to tell me what they will and won’t do, and I have the right to use them or not.

I’m a believer that honesty is the best policy, but sometimes too much honesty can get you bit in the butt. Lesson learned.
You are too nice my friend. Unlike me, you are ready for the rapture.

IMO, when it comes to firearms or anything related to them I tend to stay quiet and not say too much unless it is people that I know well, or who I go shooting with. I don't tell the cop that I have unpaid parking tickets, I don't tell the IRS that I have "more" receipts somewhere, and I don't tell anyone what is in the package I am about to ship.

Honesty is good, but that is why we have the 5th amendment right?
It is up to the accuser to prove guilt, don't lie then; just stay quiet.
 

JColumbus

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A little over a year ago, I visited my brother in San Antonio and let my cousin keep my gun when I left, because he was considering buying one and wanted to take it out and shoot.

When he was finished, I researched to make sure what I thought I knew about shipping pistols in Texas, was true. I don't recall if we tried USPS, or UPS, but they wouldn't ship it, stating "it's illegal to ship handguns without an FFL". Of course I argued, telling her "it's legal to ship it from one person to another, as long as it's in the same state". No matter what, they weren't going to allow it, even though their policy says it's fine.

I thought about telling my cousin not to declare it, but after looking it up even further, found out the law states that you have to declare it and it is a felony not to do so. So I called the ATF (yea I know, stupid move) thinking maybe they can advise me on how to get them to allow it to be sent, and even the ATF guy said "yea these people are F'N stupid and I'm sure none of them will ship it for you and even though I'm on your side with the idea that you should't have to declare it, I'm going to have to ask you not to do that, so you don't get in trouble for their ignorance".

It's so frustrating to me that, these days, it's as if people feel bad for pedophiles and thing all they need is help and it's not their fault and blah blah blah, but we in the fire arms community have now filled that spot, in their eyes.

I wish conservatives would band together and rise up institutions and organizations like media companies, delivery services, tech companies, banking companies, and on and on, so that we can have our own established system within the system, so that it makes it impossible for them to do what they are doing to use.
 

cycleguy2300

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It was a casual conversation really, lady asks me what’s in the box, and I said a magazine for a handgun. I told her it was unloaded and no ammo was in the package. That’s when she told me I couldn’t ship it. Up until then, I didn’t think it was an issue, so I didn’t think I had a reason to hide it. Guess I’ll know next time then I’ll be way more vague, but I’m not about hiding what I do either.

Ultimately, I’m going to a business for a service. They have the right to tell me what they will and won’t do, and I have the right to use them or not.

I’m a believer that honesty is the best policy, but sometimes too much honesty can get you bit in the butt. Lesson learned.
Just like DHS at the airport, it is never casual conversation... they are looking for indicators of deception.

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Texas45

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Not where you are
I have always assumed that the only place I can ship firearms is at the FedEx terminal or UPS terminal. I know that the satellite stores won’t ship them.

I’m not in FFL, but when shipping to Glock in other locations, I ship when I can without using a dealer. However, I didn’t think parts were banned. Like I said, lesson learned.
1st answer to what is it ?
Parts.
What kind?
Aircraft parts. Car parts. Whatever.


Second shipped my firearm back to Windham weaponary from my office.
Daily UPS pick up.
Boxed it
Labeled it
UPS driver loaded it up no ?

Seems some make the task of shipping an item far harder than meed be.

Just be sure you declare value if ypu want more than $100 bux back IF they lose it.


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Ozzman

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after looking it up even further, found out the law states that you have to declare it and it is a felony not to do so.
You are right JColumbus, but in this case, it was a magazine, not a handgun.

I see your point though... Think of it this way, if an out-of-stater (ie Floridian) were to "attend" one of our sad gun shows here in EPT, and ended up picking up a pistol on a face-to-face purchase.; what is stopping them from field stripping the firearm and putting the pieces in a small box and (using cash) shipping it back to his home in FL? Doesn't declare anything, and says it's automotive parts.

Ticket to the Greybar Hotel, sure if caught; but what will really happen...

Nothing. The guy hits the range the following Saturday.
 

JColumbus

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You are right JColumbus, but in this case, it was a magazine, not a handgun.

I see your point though... Think of it this way, if an out-of-stater (ie Floridian) were to "attend" one of our sad gun shows here in EPT, and ended up picking up a pistol on a face-to-face purchase.; what is stopping them from field stripping the firearm and putting the pieces in a small box and (using cash) shipping it back to his home in FL? Doesn't declare anything, and says it's automotive parts.

Ticket to the Greybar Hotel, sure if caught; but what will really happen...

Nothing. The guy hits the range the following Saturday.
Oh no, the declaration part wasn't the point of my post, though I can see why you'd think that.

I shared my experience just to show how ignorant and power hungry these people can be. If I ship anything gun related, I don't disclose it, even if asked. I don't see why we even have to declare if it's an actual firearm.
 

DoubleDuty

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Everything worked fine until the citizens let assholes take our rights away. Before the infringements came you could buy and ship your firearms anyway you wanted.
 

rotor

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Nov 1, 2015
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Wichita Falls
I think if you want to know the best source of info for shipping firearms, go to GunDigest.com, search for Buy & Sell Guns Online and the second part of that download is called All About Shipping Guns.
I have never seen any better explanation. That is a free download.
A magazine is not a gun and as others have said, one can be honest by saying sporting goods, machined parts, etc.
I think you will be impressed by the Gun Digest article.
 

mongoose

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You need to be careful what you ship and to where. A few years ago a buddy shipped some mags from TX to his Dad in CA. Next thing he knows the FBI was knocking at his door. Finally decided he was just mistaken and not a criminal.
 

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