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  • Steve_In_29

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    Nonsensical non-sequitur.

    Basic education is an American right.
    Police protection in an American right.

    Teachers and cops do not work for free.
    Nor should our physicians.

    Respectfully......the logic evades me.


    When Ronald Reagan signed the EMTALA Act in 1986 it became an unfunded mandate.
    Quite simply, Reagan established health care for 100% of Americans as a codified right.

    How, oh how, have so many forgotten this law???
    Google it. Fact-check me.

    I am in health care consulting.
    If a physician forgets or fails to abide the EMTALA law he or she can be imprisoned.

    Health care, unequivocally, indesputably has been a right for 31 years since Reagan signed the law.

    Affordable and accessable health care is therefore America's challenge.

    Obamacare addresses our right to health care quite inadequately.
    Graham-Cassidy makes us look like fools.
    You seriously misunderstand the meaning of a "Right" and are looking at it from an apparently millennial, socialistic viewpoint. "Education" and "police protection" are NOT "rights". They are simply services we expect from our society in exchange for our supporting it with taxes They are no more a "right" then is having roads or parks.

    For someone that claims to work in healthcare you are lacking in your knowledge, as the EMTALA Act did NOT make health care a right in this Country either. It simply made it illegal for EMERGENCY ROOMS to turn away patients that couldn't pay. It also doesn't force the hospital to provide follow on care either, they simply have to stabilize the patient and then can send them on their way. There is also no prohibition preventing doctors in private practice from refusing to see patients who can't pay.

    The EMTALA law has resulted in the closure of enumerable emergency rooms around the country as private (for profit) hospitals simply got out of the emergency medicine business. Since while the law said if they have an ER they have to take the patients, there is NO law that says they have to provide an ER at all. This has left the publicly funded hospitals (such as County hospitals) to pick up the slack and thus taking a further bite out of our tax dollars.
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    TheDan

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    jrbfishn

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    "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" has to one of the deadliest ideas in human history.


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    Mostly because people confuse "need" with "want".
    What you need to live and what you want, is not the same things.

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    HKShooter65

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    You seriously misunderstand the meaning of a "Right" and are looking at it from an apparently millennial, socialistic viewpoint.

    Agree.
    We are defining terms differently.

    To rephrase....police coverage and basic education are governmental responsibilities, like safe municipal drinking water.
    So should be basic healthcare

    In any event we remain the only developed country without a full covered populace.

    Everyone capable of paying in needs to do so.
    Everyone in need should be cared for.
    Simple concept.
    Challenging execution.

    It is shameful to even conceive that pre-existing conditions could be uncovered.
    How did we come to that national conceptual embarrassment?
     
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    HKShooter65

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    Oh BTW I have a very recent very personal anecdote.

    July I had a thoracic cat scan.

    Hospital bill $8,278
    Radiologist MD bill $326

    My very-expensive low-deductible BCBC:
    Paid hospital $210
    I got billed and paid $1,060
    Hospital wrote off $7,000 (BCBS contracted rate)

    That's my "low" deductible personal plan.
    If I had a cheaper more affordable plan I might have paid thousands.

    If I were a hard working uninsured rancher I'd get the 25% cash discount and pay about $6,208

    If I were an able-bodied career slacker on medicaid I pay exactly $0.00 more or less.

    Now if that shouldn't make all of us go "WTF"??????????
    I'm pretty sure most Canadians would go WTF!

    Oh, the hard working MD got $118. Half from me, half from insurance
     
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    Steve_In_29

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    Agree.
    We are defining terms differently.

    To rephrase....police coverage and basic education are governmental responsibilities, like safe municipal drinking water.
    So should be basic healthcare

    In any event we remain the only developed country without a full covered populace.

    Everyone capable of paying in needs to do so.
    Everyone in need should be cared for.
    Simple concept.
    Challenging execution.


    It is shameful to even conceive that pre-existing conditions could be uncovered.
    How did we come to that national conceptual embarrassment?

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"
    ....Carl Marx 1875

    How very socialistic of you. Are you a TX native or does my state of CA get the blame here?

    Those other countries you are so enamored of ALL have socialized medicine and the tax rates are through the roof. Swedes for example pay something like 85 PERCENT of their gross income in various taxes to get their "free" medical care. The taxes in the UK are equally outrageous.
     

    Steve_In_29

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    Oh BTW I have a very recent very personal anecdote.

    July I had a thoracic cat scan.

    Hospital bill $8,278
    Radiologist MD bill $326

    My very-expensive low-deductible BCBC:
    Paid hospital $210
    I got billed and paid $1,060
    Hospital wrote off $7,000 (BCBS contracted rate)

    That's my "low" deductible personal plan.
    If I had a cheaper more affordable plan I might have paid thousands.

    If I were a hard working uninsured rancher I'd get the 25% cash discount and pay about $6,208

    If I were an able-bodied career slacker on medicaid I pay exactly $0.00 more or less.

    Now if that shouldn't make all of us go "WTF"??????????
    I'm pretty sure most Canadians would go WTF!

    Oh, the hard working MD got $118. Half from me, half from insurance
    The radiologist that did the scan is a "technician" NOT a "medical doctor". Hence why your doctor will explain the results to you.
     

    BillFairbanks

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    Agree.
    We are defining terms differently.

    To rephrase....police coverage and basic education are governmental responsibilities, like safe municipal drinking water.
    So should be basic healthcare

    In any event we remain the only developed country without a full covered populace.

    Everyone capable of paying in needs to do so.
    Everyone in need should be cared for.
    Simple concept.
    Challenging execution.

    It is shameful to even conceive that pre-existing conditions could be uncovered.
    How did we come to that national conceptual embarrassment?

    Because we like freedom.

    Why don't Socialists move to Socialist countries?

    This march towards Socialism has to end.

    The idea that the government should steal money from those that work to buy votes from those who don't is horrible. It's tyranny.


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    HKShooter65

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    The radiologist that did the scan is a "technician" NOT a "medical doctor". Hence why your doctor will explain the results to you.

    No. The CT tech performing the scan and the Radiologist around the corner looking at her big high-resolution screen images are two quite different people.

    The radiologist is a friend of mine. Known her for years. MD from Emory.
    My physician pretty much just read me the result that the MD radiologist had dictated. By that time I'd already seen the CT images myself, not that I understood what I was looking at!
     

    HKShooter65

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    Because we like freedom.

    Why don't Socialists move to Socialist countries?

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    We've had this discussion here before.

    A graduated or progressive federal tax rate is certainly a form of "From each according to his ability." and sending the National Guard to hurricane ravaged Florida is a form of "To each according to his needs."

    Those are simply examples of our iteration of Democratic Socialism inherent in our society.

    IRS taxation to pay the military is socialism as is collection my property taxes to pay for public schools.
    Our nation cannot function without a degree of Democratic Socialism.

    We are at one end of the spectrum and I'm a proponent of a flat tax rate as one way to combat what is seeming to be an inexorable march further into socialism.

    Though we are digressing.
    What now to do with the ACA is the germane question.
    So many positives in the ACA interlaced with so many negatives.
    It still needs resolution.
    I still think, naively, that the two sides of the isle will get together inevitably.

    I'll still assert, inflammatorily, that basic health care is a right in our society.
     

    HKShooter65

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    Do I still need to pay in if I choose not to be cared for by the system you have everyone else paying into?

    Of course.
    Just like you have to help fund an educational system you might not agree with and you might help fund air traffic controllers via your taxes even if you never fly and you pitch in to fund TX DPS patrol cars even if you don't agree with speed limits.

    Question:
    If you trip on a downtown curb and fall in front of a taxi and have a neck fracture and you going to shoo away the tax-funded ambulance you may not, today, agree with??


    I cannot even believe we are having this discussion.
     

    Steve_In_29

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    Of course.
    Just like you have to help fund an educational system you might not agree with and you might help fund air traffic controllers via your taxes even if you never fly and you pitch in to fund TX DPS patrol cars even if you don't agree with speed limits.

    Question:
    If you trip on a downtown curb and fall in front of a taxi and have a neck fracture and you going to shoo away the tax-funded ambulance you may not, today, agree with??


    I cannot even believe we are having this discussion.
    I ask again.....

    Are you a TX Native spouting Karl Marx's socialist line?
     

    diesel1959

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    Nonsensical non-sequitur.

    Basic education is an American right.
    Police protection in an American right.

    Teachers and cops do not work for free.
    Nor should our physicians.

    Respectfully......the logic evades me.


    When Ronald Reagan signed the EMTALA Act in 1986 it became an unfunded mandate.
    Quite simply, Reagan established health care for 100% of Americans as a codified right.

    How, oh how, have so many forgotten this law???
    Google it. Fact-check me.

    I am in health care consulting.
    If a physician forgets or fails to abide the EMTALA law he or she can be imprisoned.

    Health care, unequivocally, indesputably has been a right for 31 years since Reagan signed the law.

    Affordable and accessable health care is therefore America's challenge.

    Obamacare addresses our right to health care quite inadequately.
    Graham-Cassidy makes us look like fools.
    Emergency care isn't "healthcare". Don't try to equate the two.
     

    diesel1959

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    Agree.
    We are defining terms differently.

    To rephrase....police coverage and basic education are governmental responsibilities, like safe municipal drinking water.
    So should be basic healthcare

    In any event we remain the only developed country without a full covered populace.

    Everyone capable of paying in needs to do so.
    Everyone in need should be cared for.
    Simple concept.
    Challenging execution.

    It is shameful to even conceive that pre-existing conditions could be uncovered.
    How did we come to that national conceptual embarrassment?
    Bullshit. Basic healthcare is not a right nor should it become one. And it certainly should NOT become something for which the federal government should pay or control.
     

    diesel1959

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    The radiologist that did the scan is a "technician" NOT a "medical doctor". Hence why your doctor will explain the results to you.
    You're confusing terms. A Radiologist IS an MD or DO. A radiology tech is not. Even if the Radiologist doesn't explain the imaging to you, he/she does consult with your physician about it and then they discuss it with you.
     

    F350-6

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    Oh BTW I have a very recent very personal anecdote.

    July I had a thoracic cat scan.

    Hospital bill $8,278
    Radiologist MD bill $326

    My very-expensive low-deductible BCBC:
    Paid hospital $210
    I got billed and paid $1,060
    Hospital wrote off $7,000 (BCBS contracted rate)

    That's my "low" deductible personal plan.
    If I had a cheaper more affordable plan I might have paid thousands.

    If I were a hard working uninsured rancher I'd get the 25% cash discount and pay about $6,208

    If I were an able-bodied career slacker on medicaid I pay exactly $0.00 more or less.

    Now if that shouldn't make all of us go "WTF"??????????
    I'm pretty sure most Canadians would go WTF!

    Oh, the hard working MD got $118. Half from me, half from insurance

    I completely understand what you're saying, but what you fail to mention is, how many thousands you're currently paying to avoid not paying a few thousand in that particular situation.

    I too have a low deductible BCBS plan. It runs around 20k a year for me and the old lady. (I'm convinced it's 18k her / 2k me)

    If I were able to find a plan that cost 8k per year and in your scenario had to pay 8k out of pocket, I'd still be money ahead.

    It seems as if basic health insurance had kind of turned into what used to be considered a catastrophic plan.
     
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