Victoria firearms store raided, owner arrested

[JohnnyLoco]

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Because Nazi Germany is the blueprint for a lawful tyranny. Another example would be the rise of Julius Caesar. Are we not allowed to discuss him as well? Plays were only written about him and Roman history has been discussed at length for only two thousand years.

So, I guess it is inappropriate that we still marvel at the improbable rise of one of the worst mass murderers in the history of human civilization less than 70 years after his death.

 

[Mreed911]

Because Nazi Germany is the blueprint for a lawful tyranny. Another example would be the rise of Julius Caesar. Are we not allowed to discuss him as well? Plays were only written about him and Roman history has been discussed at length for only two thousand years.

So, I guess it is inappropriate that we still marvel at the improbable rise of one of the worst mass murderers in the history of human civilization less than 70 years after his death.

No, it's just become the de facto argument for anything perceived as liberal, socialist, evil, tyrannical, etc. It carries less weight every time it's abused as a reference to the point it's now considered more or less a joke as a reference in a discussion.

 

[Acera]

All these posts and no one has explained to locke_n_load that his 80 proof Jack Daniels will not burn, LOL. What has happened to you guys????

BTW to answer his question from the first page about how to register a Molotov cocktail, you do it like any other destructive device (it's covered in the BATF definition of a destructive device) similar process to registering a machine gun, silencer, SBR, SBS, etc.

While it may be fun and good debate material in bringing up constitutional arguments about his mans situation, I doubt it will matter. He is about to get unloaded on by the feds for his crimes. With the most basic knowledge needed to deal in the firearms business, I have got to assume he knew which side of the law he was treading. Bet he had a good idea about the punishment for being convicted of such errors in judgement and action.

Hate to see a gun dealer make such bad choices and place a black eye on a business that is honestly and legally conducted by thousands of good people during a time when that industry is hurting and is in a constant fight against a determined enemy.

 

[breakingcontact]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Ha. Yes. Im familiar with that.

It is completely silly to discredit someone for bringing up something. I think Hitler and MOST oppressive world leaders should be discussed more. Not just the same old things rehashed over and over but so we can all better understand why they came to power, how, and what their rule actually looked like.

We can call it the "public school does a shit job of teaching history law".

People have this false notion that Hitler and the Nazis were just a bunch of crazed monsters. We need to better understand why he came to power and why his followers were willing to murder millions of innocent people.

My biggest concern and the reason why Hitler should be discussed (against your Godwin's "law" ) is that Nazi Germany had a constitutuon, courts and even a legislature. People dont realize that. They think that Hitler made himself king. He didnt. He took power legally and had the courts and legislature to either rubber stamp what he wanted or to turn their power over to him.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

Ha. Yes. Im familiar with that.

It is completely silly to discredit someone for bringing up something. I think Hitler and MOST oppressive world leaders should be discussed more. Not just the same old things rehashed over and over but so we can all better understand why they came to power, how, and what their rule actually looked like.

We can call it the "public school does a shit job of teaching history law".

People have this false notion that Hitler and the Nazis were just a bunch of crazed monsters. We need to better understand why he came to power and why his followers were willing to murder millions of innocent people.

My biggest concern and the reason why Hitler should be discussed (against your Godwin's "law") is that Nazi Germany had a constitutuon, courts and even a legislature. People dont realize that. They think that Hitler made himself king. He didnt. He took power legally and had the courts and legislature to either rubber stamp what he wanted or to turn their power over to him.

I actually get why people would get tired of bringing up Hitler. Unfortunately, most people have not even read a transcript of one of his speeches.

Monster, no. He used the same slick, socialist rhetoric the Obama uses. Compare their speeches side by side. Except, Obama's are written at about a 5th grade level.

 

[Younggun]

Lets also remember, Hitler did not have to invade every country. Some chose to join him and only later realized what they had chosen to be part of.

 

[TXARGUY]

Lets also remember, Hitler did not have to invade every country. Some chose to join him and only later realized what they had chosen to be part of.

Kinda like our beloved Texas.

 

[Mike1234567]

Last time I brought up Nazis on another forum I got a seven day ban because the moderator thought I was calling another forum member a Nazi. I don't know how they came to that conclusion. Anyway, I agree with the reference to Nazi Germany in this case (gun registry).

 

[Mreed911]

Kinda like our beloved Texas.

Texas joined Germany in WWII?

 

[Mreed911]

I actually get why people would get tired of bringing up Hitler. Unfortunately, most people have not even read a transcript of one of his speeches.

Monster, no. He used the same slick, socialist rhetoric the Obama uses. Compare their speeches side by side. Except, Obama's are written at about a 5th grade level.

The major difference this time is instant access via social media. The game has changed, witness the Arab Spring.

 

[TXARGUY]

Texas joined Germany in WWII?

Well I figured my statement was self explanatory. Texas joined the U. S. blah blah blah...

I guess you'd have to read what I replied to to understand the context.

WWII could not have been won without Texas. Specifically the East Texas Field that fueled just about everything we and our allies threw at Hitler and his bros.

 

[Mreed911]

So the larger question - isn't a standing army supposed to be drawn from state militias? If so, would a return to that reduce the federal 'burden,' especially given the larger domestic terrorism/security role that army could play if it were, in fact, subject to control of each state?

On topic: as someone waiting on a Form 1 for an SBR , I understand the process whether I believe it's actually just, just as I know the consequences for failing to follow the law. I'm not really up for 10 years in prison followed by a vacated conviction when/if the law is found unjust.

Biblically, I believe Jesus' words were clear on being subject to the rulers of the day and when not to be. I believe the better route, now, is to follow the law while working to have it repealed or changed.

 

[Saltyag2010]

Guys if you break the law and get caught you have to face the consequences. Dude had a gun shop and was in possession of guns with shorter than legal barrels. Just be responsible- it's not hard.
Do I support these laws on how long barrels need to be - not really, but I'm not willing to go to jail for a short barrel lever gun or shotgun. That's not good for me or my family.

 

[TheDan]

Sometimes I regress to sixth grade.

Yeah, I had a Butthead moment on that one, too.

Based on what? If there's a law, and the law is ruled just, and the legislators won't change it, how is punishing a willing lawbreaker immoral?

You can argue the law is immoral, but saying the punishment for breaking it is is pushing it.

I'm not following your logic on that. If a law is immoral, then how can the punishment under that law be moral?

The guy was still pretty stupid to have unregistered NFA items. Some things are worth breaking the law on and some things aren't.


Hmmm... I wonder if having empty glass bottles, rags, and gasoline in the house could be construed as constructive intent. I know if you have a string with loops tied on the ends and a rifle with a reciprocating charging handle it is.

 

[JohnnyLoco]

Biblically, I believe Jesus' words were clear on being subject to the rulers of the day and when not to be. I believe the better route, now, is to follow the law while working to have it repealed or changed.

A lot could be said here. I essentially agree that we probably shouldn't go to war over every stupid law.
On the other side, to come back to Roman history, we are not an occupied province here, we are a constitutional republic. We the People don't have "rulers of the day" here. The police and our elected representatives are ruled by us, we hold them accountable.

If this point was understood a little better, we would have the Feinsteins of the world thinking they really did rule over us. There would be swift justice for these folks, and we wouldn't have police parading around here like Roman legionaries and centurions.

The guy was still pretty stupid to have unregistered NFA items. Some things are worth breaking the law on and some things aren't.

How do we even know what that dude is guilty of? This could all be trumped up. I don't believe shit coming from the agency of Fast and Furious.

 

[TheDan]

How do we even know what that dude is guilty of? This could all be trumped up. I don't believe shit coming from the agency of Fast and Furious.

Good point.

 

[pharmaco]

Based on what? If there's a law, and the law is ruled just, and the legislators won't change it, how is punishing a willing lawbreaker immoral?
You can argue the law is immoral, but saying the punishment for breaking it is is pushing it.

This.

If you've read Thoreau's works you would understand that breaking unjust laws is considered to be right, but not expecting punishment is wrong.

 

[Younggun]

You can expect to be punished, but that doesn't mean that the punishment is morally right, especially if the law is morally wrong.

Not debating the law hear, only the premise of morality in the punishment of unjust or immoral laws.

 

[Younggun]

The expected punishment is an extension of logic, not right or wrong/should or shouldn't.

 

[Mexican_Hippie]

I expect to be robbed if I go to the wrong neighborhood in Detroit. That doesn't make it right, just expected.