Virginians Are Close to Tipping Point

[easy rider]

I'm mad as hell--at Republicans and conservatives in America.

The message here is clear: VOTE or be prepared for the socialist democrats to take over your life. I feel bad about what's happening in Virginia--but not for Virginians. I feel bad that we may lose one more state to totalitarian socialist dictators. As to the Virginians, why didn't all the gun owners vote in every election? They didn't and now they're crying about the result. If they had VOTED, they wouldn't have to protest in the streets about what the people they allowed to be elected are doing!

124 million gun owners in the U.S. could dictate the outcome of most elections. A 30% turnout, though, just hands over your city, school district, county, state, and nation to the left. We have an Hispanic woman who has never before had a job of any kind running Harris County. Think about that. The second most populous county in the U.S. is being run by someone whose whole life has been spent in various schools and universities paid for entirely by you and me. ZERO working life experience. She's the local equivalent to AOC, or actually worse, since AOC at least worked as a bartender.

How many of you reading this didn't vote in the last election? Where I live there were no offices up for vote, but there was a whole list of propositions, and a couple them were pretty bad for taxpayers. I voted no, but they won anyway--and the total vote (yes and no combined) was a smaller number than registered Republicans here. Assuming Republicans can recognize a bad deal when they see it, they could have made the final vote NO. But they didn't bother to vote. Just like in Virginia. So we have a couple of new bad laws in place. If you don't vote, you don't get to complain.

I understand what your saying, and by all means conservatives, libertarians and republicans need to vote now more than ever, but did you ever think that many if not most that are crying were part of that 30%? Don't get complacent!

If we sit back and allow states like Virginia to turn away from the Constitution and become totalitarian, it won't be long before it comes here.

 

[Republic2020]

I will fight.

 

[easy rider]

When I first came to Texas (2013) I heard people saying that Texas would never turn blue. I don't hear that as much anymore. I hate to say it, but unless something happens, it's inevitable.

 

[toddnjoyce]

When I first came to Texas (2013) I heard people saying that Texas would never turn blue. I don't hear that as much anymore. I hate to say it, but unless something happens, it's inevitable.

There’s a good analysis of this subject in the current Texas Monthly. There’s about 11M registered voters in the state. Reliably, about 4M vote D and 4.5M vote R. The race is on to 5.5M.

Ds have had a tougher time here since Bush was governor and the DNCC hasn’t traditionally put any real effort into state until recently, thinking Wendy Davis could be Abbot and Beto could beat anybody.

Marty Galindo convinced the DNCC to focus on Texas in 2020 with this line “Are you willing to bet the party on Ohio?” For the Ds, they want our 38 electoral votes because, well, if Hillary carried Texas in 2016, she would have gotten 270 electoral votes.

The second part of his argument to the DNCC was that the target Ohio voters are old and white and a smaller pool than the young white pool in Texas. He essentially told the DNCC, give up on the Hispanic vote in Texas if you want to win. Focus instead, on the younger urbanites in the Texas triangle who are mostly white and female. Capture them and that gets you to 5.5M and Texas is blue for the next 50 years.

The RNCC isn’t ignoring the threat, but isn’t also nearly as motivated to keep Texas. They know they’ve got to get to 5.5M first and believe the Beto experiment was a fluke and that most of the swing voters that went for him just don’t care for the bat-shit crazy turn the D party has taken. And, they believe it’s going to be hard for the party to walk back that turn after the primaries.

I’ve said it many times before; Texas voter preference is less about party identification and ideology and more about understanding the value of having a limited state government that can only do so much damage in a few months every other year.

On the national level, Texans are most likely to vote for the incumbent; and when there isn’t one, they’ll go for the lesser of two evils. I think *most* swing voters in Texas will see the bastard we know is better than the bastard we don’t. What can derail that is an economic downturn that lasts thru 2020, and I just don’t see that happening.

 

[cherok2e]

The "Left" believes that they have the "people" behind them in the gun control and the social justice (read gay rights, confused genders) issues. They see Virginia as the perfect place to begin the test of the take over based on the fact they managed to seat radical Democrats and gain voting control with the balance of power to the socialist liberal agenda.

Consider the Bloomberg ads he is running here in Texas. He and his backers are hammering the beat NRA and antigun theme hard. Think about that, those ads are here in Texas now, before he gets the Democrat nomination. Sort of a win - win, no matter if he gets nominated or not they are beginning the conditioning of the population here in Texas.

The takeover has begun in earnest. Khrushchev was right, feed communism in small doses.

The conservatives have to stop the conditioning process and speak up. We didn't when they pushed the politically correct on us because we thought it was harmless. We are now letting the LGBTQ, less than 1% of the population, condition us to believe, gay, gender identity/confusion, are acceptable. It is not natural, does not procreate the species and we have to stop it from being taught in our schools. When it started they said it would not be used to influence anyone. Well we have seen that is not true so we have to speak up about it. They can have their nondiscrimination rights but it stops there.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Here what I know..and believe.

The Virginia bills will pass, without question. Someone or a group will file a lawsuit in federal court. It will take 3.5yrs minimum and about 1.5 million dollars to overturn the laws with SCOTUS assuming SCOTUS will even hear the case. Democrats will delay as much as possible in hopes that The case won’t appear before SCOTUS before the 2024 election and their democratic president wins and takes office. if that’s the case SCOTUS will lean more liberal.

In the mean time, Virginia and the AG WILL enforce the laws, prosecute and send people to prison, those that they catch. The ones that they catch, will be the ones that are reported by someone else, or by those who are too stupid and take their illegal items in the car or other vehicle and get discovered in a traffic stop.

Another group of gun owners who don’t want to risk going to jail or being killed, will turn in their guns, or they will dispose of them as quickly as they can.

Another group will hide their illegal guns, and will tell everyone that they were lost in a fire, or boating accident, or stolen etc... They will sit by and do absolutely nothing in hopes that eventually the laws will change.

And finally the very last group, which will be a small minority will actually be willing to risk jail, as well as death and fight anyone who tries to take their guns. These are the ones you will hear in the news that killed a few officers and then were killed themselves.

maybe just maybe and hopefully will be a group of people that have held out as long as those in Waco did, or like other big mistakes and hold outs that the FBI and ATF have done in the past. However in this case, it will be the Virginia state police and sheriffs who are nowhere as well trained as the FBI and ATF, and will make a nationwide embarrassment of themselves.

The governor won’t call out the NG, because they would have to declare martial law, and by that time, I believe our federal government would step in.

Basically there won’t actually be enough people who will risk going to jail, and risk dying to get up and do what they can to prevent even forcibly any law enforcement come knocking on doors.

if Virginians are going to stop them going door to door, they will have to come together in thousands and all those thousands be willing to risk going to jail as well as loosing their lives for the cause. Sadly I think and believe that those numbers in Virginia willing to do that are less then 1000 in the entire state.

Seriously how many of you are willing to loose your life or go to prison fighting the cause and preventing door to door confiscation?

I am... but I don’t think many will.

 

[Whistler]

Or... No reason to believe SCOTUS will lean more liberal if a Dem is POTUS short substantial changes. Likely the great job our current POTUS has done with district courts will result in injunction preventing or limiting enforcement.

Certainly some will comply, perhaps some will be reported by Tories, unlikely at scale.

Protagonists may take a page from Antifa, BLM, initiate protests and civil disobedience. Some militias perceiving a bellwether may bolster these activities.

Candidly I have no idea how it plays out but I don't see a general capitulation or use of overwhelming force.

I don't see it playing out at all that dramatically.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Or... No reason to believe SCOTUS will lean more liberal if a Dem is POTUS short substantial changes. Likely the great job our current POTUS has done with district courts will result in injunction preventing or limiting enforcement.

Certainly some will comply, perhaps some will be reported by Tories, unlikely at scale.

Protagonists may take a page from Antifa, BLM, initiate protests and civil disobedience. Some militias perceiving a bellwether may bolster these activities.

Candidly I have no idea how it plays out but I don't see a general capitulation or use of overwhelming force.

I don't see it playing out at all that dramatically.

yeah forgot to add my addendum.

It will end up like California, New York, New Jersey and mass.... where the state isn’t out going door to door, and are perfectly happy with the few they catch through traffic stops, and those who were turned in by anti gunners.

Because they aren’t going door to door, most gun owners will quietly retreat back to their couches after hiding their guns and go back to sleep like they were.

 

[benenglish]

Because they aren’t going door to door, most gun owners will quietly retreat back to their couches after hiding their guns and go back to sleep like they were.

Like with bumpstocks. On the off chance that the last remaining court case on bumpstocks is successful and they are once again deemed legal, I feel sure a huge number of them will suddenly rematerialize.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Like with bumpstocks. On the off chance that the last remaining court case on bumpstocks is successful and they are once again deemed legal, I feel sure a huge number of them will suddenly rematerialize.

Well if any forcefull action is taken by anyone, I am sure your right, you might see actual bump stocks being used by many.

Don’t forget the fully legal cannons, and Gatling guns too!

You might even so those few gun owners who have them, bring out their NFA legal fully auto machine guns as well.

I have one, as well as a cannon, and a Gatling gun, and if they were coming to take them, unconstitutionally, I know I would use mine!

 

[seeker_two]

Here what I know..and believe.

The Virginia bills will pass, without question. Someone or a group will file a lawsuit in federal court. It will take 3.5yrs minimum and about 1.5 million dollars to overturn the laws with SCOTUS assuming SCOTUS will even hear the case. Democrats will delay as much as possible in hopes that The case won’t appear before SCOTUS before the 2024 election and their democratic president wins and takes office. if that’s the case SCOTUS will lean more liberal.

In the mean time, Virginia and the AG WILL enforce the laws, prosecute and send people to prison, those that they catch. The ones that they catch, will be the ones that are reported by someone else, or by those who are too stupid and take their illegal items in the car or other vehicle and get discovered in a traffic stop.

Another group of gun owners who don’t want to risk going to jail or being killed, will turn in their guns, or they will dispose of them as quickly as they can.

Another group will hide their illegal guns, and will tell everyone that they were lost in a fire, or boating accident, or stolen etc... They will sit by and do absolutely nothing in hopes that eventually the laws will change.

And finally the very last group, which will be a small minority will actually be willing to risk jail, as well as death and fight anyone who tries to take their guns. These are the ones you will hear in the news that killed a few officers and then were killed themselves.

maybe just maybe and hopefully will be a group of people that have held out as long as those in Waco did, or like other big mistakes and hold outs that the FBI and ATF have done in the past. However in this case, it will be the Virginia state police and sheriffs who are nowhere as well trained as the FBI and ATF, and will make a nationwide embarrassment of themselves.

The governor won’t call out the NG, because they would have to declare martial law, and by that time, I believe our federal government would step in.

Basically there won’t actually be enough people who will risk going to jail, and risk dying to get up and do what they can to prevent even forcibly any law enforcement come knocking on doors.

if Virginians are going to stop them going door to door, they will have to come together in thousands and all those thousands be willing to risk going to jail as well as loosing their lives for the cause. Sadly I think and believe that those numbers in Virginia willing to do that are less then 1000 in the entire state.

Seriously how many of you are willing to loose your life or go to prison fighting the cause and preventing door to door confiscation?

I am... but I don’t think many will.

It only takes one Gavrilo Princip.....

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[Wiliamr]

Too damn bad Mr. Miller disappeared and didnt make it to his attorney's office before the SCOTUS deadline date. Too bad Mr. Millers attorney, Paul E. Gutensohn got appointed to the state senate and became worried about his appointment going away. Too many coincidences and weird twists and so the ball of federal gun control has been gaining steam ever since. Along with it the various states....

 

[majormadmax]

Here what I know..and believe...

This. There's a lot of big talk going on about it, but in the end most Virginians will comply or hide the fact they have firearms (which will be easy as Virginia doesn't have gun registration requirements).

Interestingly enough, Virginia allows open carry without a permit for people 18 years of age and older (§15.2-915.2, §18.2-287.4 and §18.2-282) as well as state preemption for most but not all firearm laws (§ 15.2-915).

The state also defines "assault weapons" as "any semi-automatic, centerfire, firearm equipped with a folding stock, or equipped at the time with a magazine capable of holding more than 20 rounds, or capable of accommodating a silencer/suppressor." Magazines capable of holding more than 20 rounds are legal but they make the firearm an "assault weapon" subject to the law accordingly (Proof of age [18+ for long arms, 21+ for pistols] and proof of citizenship [or permanent residence license] are required for purchase).

So, despite all the drama, don't expect much of a reaction for those affected...

 

[majormadmax]

It only takes one Gavrilo Princip...

And how did that work out for him, the Serbs or other Slavs?!?

And it wasn't his actions that started World War I, it was the July Crisis, a series of interrelated diplomatic and military escalations among the major powers of Europe in the summer of 1914 that was the ultimate reason for the war...

 

[phoenix]

This is going to get ugly if the leftists keep pushing it. I don't really want to see things get ugly.

sadly i think a game of cowboys and liberals is all that will show them who they are messing with. I mean if we were really in general violent people they would be in trouble, but we finish things. We dont start them.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

This. There's a lot of big talk going on about it, but in the end most Virginians will comply or hide the fact they have firearms (which will be easy as Virginia doesn't have gun registration requirements).

Interestingly enough, Virginia allows open carry without a permit for people 18 years of age and older (§15.2-915.2, §18.2-287.4 and §18.2-282) as well as state preemption for most but not all firearm laws (§ 15.2-915).

The state also defines "assault weapons" as "any semi-automatic, centerfire, firearm equipped with a folding stock, or equipped at the time with a magazine capable of holding more than 20 rounds, or capable of accommodating a silencer/suppressor." Magazines capable of holding more than 20 rounds are legal but they make the firearm an "assault weapon" subject to the law accordingly (Proof of age [18+ for long arms, 21+ for pistols] and proof of citizenship [or permanent residence license] are required for purchase).
So, despite all the drama, don't expect much of a reaction for those affected...

That’s what I was saying, most will comply, or hide. There will be some who will get arrested for not complying and there maybe I would say no more then 10 that will put up a fight and cost some lives on both sides.

There maybe even a rare Waco type incident... However if that did happen, I think it would polarize a lot more people to both sides of the cause.

It honestly will be very sad to see the majority bow down and comply and hide. And thus the democrats will keep going u til the entire country is like this and it’s to late.

I do believe that there are less then 1000 of us in the entire nation that would actually put their lives on the line and fight back.

At my age, I don’t have much to loose... so I will fight back and I won’t let anyone take my guns, I will shoot back even if it means I will get shot.

 

[SlimJim]

WOLVERINES!

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[Whistler]

That’s what I was saying, most will comply, or hide. There will be some who will get arrested for not complying and there maybe I would say no more then 10 that will put up a fight and cost some lives on both sides.

There maybe even a rare Waco type incident... However if that did happen, I think it would polarize a lot more people to both sides of the cause.

It honestly will be very sad to see the majority bow down and comply and hide. And thus the democrats will keep going u til the entire country is like this and it’s to late.

I do believe that there are less then 1000 of us in the entire nation that would actually put their lives on the line and fight back.

At my age, I don’t have much to loose... so I will fight back and I won’t let anyone take my guns, I will shoot back even if it means I will get shot.

How many went to Bundy Ranch?

 

[easy rider]

Hell, if I could, I would be in Richmond, Va. on Jan. 20th to show my support for them. I'm too old and set in my ways to live on my knees.

 

[O.S.O.K. 1961]

My initial concern on this remains unchanged....the series of school and public place shootings have not had the desired effect of pushing the nation to draconian gun control so now it appears the Left may force hundreds or thousands of law abiding citizens to use force to fight oppression, thus confirming for the world to see that the evil white racist gun owner is a dangerous reality.


if an armed confrontation erupts, the media will make it look like the Klan has risen again and is using firearms to threaten the new majority.

My fear is, that in doing the right thing, we will play right into their hands. On the other hand, we need to remember that Texas exists because many came from other states to join our fight for freedom from Mexico. I, for one, support the Virginia 2A movement politically and financially. At 71 years old, that's about all I can do.

If, like in VA, the citizens exhaust all legal options and simply do not comply, it will be the dims who will have to force the issue, knowing that they will be ousted in the next election. Only 1/3 of the people there voted in the last election - that will change next time. And there is the upcoming annual VCDL lobbying day in Richmond. This will be a rallying point for all pro 2A folks there and I expect 100k+ turn-out which can not be ignored. It will be a huge warning to the leftists that there will be consequences. It could be immediate but I don’t think it will be. It all depends on how the Gov there reacts to the civil disobedience. If he’s stupid enough to use force...