What would it take for you to go?

[cycleguy2300]

What would it take for you to step up and assist someone, a group, a nation?

An unprovoked invasion?

The wholesale destruction of cities?

A distaste of one or the other's politics or an identification with them?

"Genocide"?

For them to be helping themselves?

I really am curious. Americans has had a LONG history of joining fights before America has:

The Layfayette Escadrille during The Great War

Large numbers fought during the Spanish Civil War

The AVG aka Flying Tigers in China prior to WWII

Some even fought against ISIS.

Without being Ukraine specific, would there be a point you would go or help other ways?

I would not be surprised if Russia starts looking at Finland, Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania as "threats" soon.

I know two guys with the skills to help activly, who have gathered kit and have only to buy the ticket to go.

Much like Ben, I think I am curious as to what makes someone actually help or to go and just wondering if they were as rare as the seem.

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[ian]

Ukraine doesn't need man power. They need SAMs and more ATGMs.

I dont trust Biden not to prosecute those who go to help as nazi supporters in a foreign war.

I have no desire to kill some poor kid from Russia or some grandpa from donbas who are being used as cannon fodder by putin.

 

[OneGunTX]

There is a line. For everyone, that line is different. I lost many family members of my grandmother's generation in Nazi Concentration camps. Bombing hospitals and schools are no better than rounding up people for mass slaughter in a camp. Had Putin not threatened nuclear weapons, I bet many European NATO countries would have stepped up. Putin is no better than Hitler. He's a bully and a murderer. I agree with all that say Putin needs to be taken out. He does not have to be taken out overtly. Personally, I like the Israeli approach of silence and stealth, but Putin needs to discontinue breathing.

 

[Sam7sf]

Deep topic. Lots of discussion potential but I’ll keep it as short as I can.

Though I did not serve I still have an interesting background and life experiences. I’m one of those guys often labeled as a waste of talent. Had multiple times I could have been more but took the immature or lazy road. In hindsight it was for the better certain careers didn’t pan out for the benefit of the public.

Why is what I said important in answering your questions? Because it’s why I would help. I’m 40 years old. Had lots of opportunity for fun times. Stepping up to help innocent people or protect our country is the least I could do for being such a waste of space.

 

[Hoji]

Invade this country ( militarily) and there is very little in what I would do to demoralize the invading force when I catch and “release” them that would be off the table.
As far as going and fighting someone else’s war( as a civilian volunteer) not sure there is any circumstance in the current world we live in that would motivate me to do it. You would literally in most cases be fighting for a chosen type of oppressive government over another oppressive government.

 

[Coyote9]

What would it take for you to step up and assist someone, a group, a nation?

An unprovoked invasion?

The wholesale destruction of cities?

A distaste of one or the other's politics or an identification with them?

"Genocide"?

For them to be helping themselves?

I really am curious. Americans has had a LONG history of joining fights before America has:

The Layfayette Escadrille during The Great War

Large numbers fought during the Spanish Civil War

The AVG aka Flying Tigers in China prior to WWII

Some even fought against ISIS.

Without being Ukraine specific, would there be a point you would go or help other ways?

I would not be surprised if Russia starts looking at Finland, Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania as "threats" soon.

I know two guys with the skills to help activly, who have gathered kit and have only to buy the ticket to go.

Much like Ben, I think I am curious as to what makes someone actually help or to go and just wondering if they were as rare as the seem.

PMs are welcome if you don't want to share here.

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I would only fight for friends and family, so Norway Canada and maybe Australia

 

[Axxe55]

Invade this country ( militarily) and there is very little in what I would do to demoralize the invading force when I catch and “release” them that would be off the table.
As far as going and fighting someone else’s war( as a civilian volunteer) not sure there is any circumstance in the current world we live in that would motivate me to do it. You would literally in most cases be fighting for a chosen type of oppressive government over another oppressive government.

^^^^This!^^^^

Sometimes, it's just better to sit back and worry about your own, and to mind you own business. I know of no other country that I'm willing to stick my neck out for, or to sacrifice my freedom or life for than my own country.

I can't and won't speak for others doing what they do, nor judge their actions or reasons for doing so.

 

[Dawico]

I'd never go defend a country that Biden and the MSM are saying is the good guy, that's for sure.

Let them protect their own kid's gas company executive jobs.

 

[TX oddball]

What would it take for you to step up and assist someone, a group, a nation?

An unprovoked invasion?

Any scenario of an army of a foreign nation or terrorist group that invades, I'll be there, even though I'm 60 yo.

Any other scenario, it depends, really difficult to articulate in a post.

But similar to pornography, I'll know it when I see it.

 

[mad88minute]

I'll agree with Hoji, mostly. We have a military, and it's thier job to go fight abroad. They have much better support, equipment, supply means. And protection legally if was is actually declared.


Cross over to America, or even North America and it's a threat to my family.

As a veteran I always thank the young men and women currently wearing the uniform for relieving me of my duty. They stepped up and volunteered so I could go home and live.

That being said I keep prepared for such a fight if it ever came to me.

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[oldag]

I really hate to admit it, but at my age I probably am restricted to defending Texas.

 

[TheDan]

I would not fight for someone who's values don't align with mine. So if China invades CA lets not be too hasty.

 

[glenbo]

At 71, I'm well past the years when I would be able to do anything in any other country and I can't think of any, besides Israel, that I would be ready to die for at a younger age.

 

[Younggun]

There is a line. For everyone, that line is different. I lost many family members of my grandmother's generation in Nazi Concentration camps. Bombing hospitals and schools are no better than rounding up people for mass slaughter in a camp. Had Putin not threatened nuclear weapons, I bet many European NATO countries would have stepped up. Putin is no better than Hitler. He's a bully and a murderer. I agree with all that say Putin needs to be taken out. He does not have to be taken out overtly. Personally, I like the Israeli approach of silence and stealth, but Putin needs to discontinue breathing.

We bombed a lot of schools and hospitals in WW2. Not only in Europe. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both civilian population centers with schools and hospitals (and enemy troops). Not doing the “America is evil” argument. Just the reality of a real war argument.

War is hell. For all my opinions on Ukraine I think it’s important to realize that in a real war (not the “win hearts and minds” war) you attack targets where the enemy is located. If they are hiding in cities, those cities WILL come under attack.

The poorer the nations involved in the war, the more collateral you will see simply because of the cost of developing and using precision weapons on a large scale. Even then, we have hit civilian targets with great precision. Less often though do to greater capabilities.

 

[deemus]

As far as going and fighting someone else’s war( as a civilian volunteer) not sure there is any circumstance in the current world we live in that would motivate me to do it. You would literally in most cases be fighting for a chosen type of oppressive government over another oppressive government.

Trigger finger?

 

[Vaquero]

I'm glad we had volunteers from elsewhere to fight Santa Anna.

 

[Texasjack]

The area I'm willing to defend with my life lies between the Red, the Sabine, and the Rio Grande.

Quite honestly, I don't trust those morons in Washington to put anyone I know or love in harm's way. They'd sell their mother's teeth to line their own pockets. During my lifetime, this country has gotten involved in a lot of other people's wars only to discover that both sides were corrupt and evil. Somehow the politicians and their buddies all managed to profit off of everyone else's suffering.

 

[etmo]

What would it take for you to step up and assist someone, a group, a nation?

If "a nation" == the USA, then it would take nothing for me to step up. And by "USA" I mean an invasion of the 50 United States, not some politicians idea of American corporate interests in some craphole abroad.

Otherwise, it's a no-go. I have a family and a nation to protect, I wish everyone peace and happiness, but my life and money are not to be risked for foreigners.

I have no ill will towards anyone who wants to volunteer their lives/resources to help out some foreigners, it's their life, they can spend it how they choose.

The caveat there is that I hope the govt is smart enough not to get drawn into WW3 because some Americans got killed by nation X in some foreign war, and nation X decided to play up the American deaths on camera. And I don't think our govt is in the same zip code as smart.

 

[pronstar]

We bombed a lot of schools and hospitals in WW2. Not only in Europe. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both civilian population centers with schools and hospitals (and enemy troops). Not doing the “America is evil” argument. Just the reality of a real war argument.

War is hell. For all my opinions on Ukraine I think it’s important to realize that in a real war (not the “win hearts and minds” war) you attack targets where the enemy is located. If they are hiding in cities, those cities WILL come under attack.

The poorer the nations involved in the war, the more collateral you will see simply because of the cost of developing and using precision weapons on a large scale. Even then, we have hit civilian targets with great precision. Less often though do to greater capabilities.

Yup.

I’ve read that our firebombing campaign in Japan killed way more civilians than the two nukes did.


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[cycleguy2300]

Very interesting guys.

I sometimes feel like I am watching the house of my sketchy neighbor who has with good kids get broken into by some full-on thugs. I hear cries for help, but the "police" aren't coming because they are scared of the thugs and you can tell the fight is going bad for the kids... I felt the same way about Ukraine in 2014 and watching ISIS kill and rape a few years ago (but somewhat less as it seemed to be a "go fight for me" instead of the "come fight with me" I hear today)



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