When is an SBR not an SBR?

[SC-Texas]

An announcement from Frankling Armory.

Trying to decide if this is fake.

An sbr
Designed to be fired from shoulder
1. Less than 16"
Or
2. Less than 26" overall



https://www.outdoorhub.com/news/201...arrel-firearm-standard-ar-stock-atf-approval/

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[TreyG-20]

I will be interested in seeing how this pans out. Classified as a "firearm" not a pistol or rifle.

 

[DwnRange]

humm, you are the lawyer Sean - are they trying to use a "fixed" stock and 26+" to get around the 16" bbl requirement?

 

[orbitup]

tag

 

[Renegade]

humm, you are the lawyer Sean - are they trying to use a "fixed" stock and 26+" to get around the 16" bbl requirement?

The key to this or the Shockwave is to get ATF to rule it is not designed to be fired from the shoulder.

Also, stock does not look fixed. I multiple photos show it collapsed and extended.

 

[SC-Texas]

humm, you are the lawyer Sean - are they trying to use a "fixed" stock and 26+" to get around the 16" bbl requirement?

RenegadeX is correct on the statembt about the shockwave. The whole issue is getting around the designed to be fired from the shoulder part of the definition.

How they did it is the question.



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[F350-6]

How does the Mare's leg get around the regulations? Perhaps they're going with the same angle of miniature, not a real butstock, just a funny looking pistol?

 

[SC-Texas]

How does the Mare's leg get around the regulations? Perhaps they're going with the same angle of miniature, not a real butstock, just a funny looking pistol?

It's not designed to be fired from the shoulder

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[outdare]

So if I have a 10.5" barrel AR and have a fixed stock with oal of 26" or more it is a firearm? No sbr required. Does this have to manufactured or is this going to be a broad reaching ATF ruling?

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[SC-Texas]

Texas penal code 46.01


Does not define a rifle.

(10) "Short-barrel firearm" means a rifle with a barrel length of less than 16 inches or a shotgun with a barrel length of less than 18 inches, or any weapon made from a shotgun or rifle if, as altered, it has an overall length of less than 26 inches.

46.05a1. or otherwise not subject to that registration

So legal in Texas if true. Interesting

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[SC-Texas]

So if I have a 10.5" barrel AR and have a fixed stock with oal of 26" or more it is a firearm? No sbr required. Does this have to manufactured or is this going to be a broad reaching ATF ruling?

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Don't know. Until we see the letter.....

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[AustinN4]

If this turns out to be true, count me in! Where do I send my money?

 

[SC-Texas]

If this turns out to be true, count me in! Where do I send my money?

So I'm sitting here wondering WTH i have missed all these years.

Short of them telling the ATF the normal stock isnt for shouldering. . . . .

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[SC-Texas]

Okay. My prediction.
1. They took a mission first tactical stock that weighs 6 oz and convince the ATF that it's a stabilizing blade by putting a strap around it

2. 1 rd per Trigger pull = rifle. This fires once when pulled and once when released. Therefore doesn't meet definition of rifle

Could they play off this definition to move it Into firearm catagory?

 

[ZX9RCAM]

So, it has a REALLY long collapsible stock?
That's how it makes the overall length rule?

 

[TX OMFS]

Best guess is it's smooth bore with a rifled muzzle device choke or it has a new type of "rifling" the ATF doesn't consider to rifling, like a 9.6 Lancaster in Russia.

 

[TX OMFS]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/14/new-russian-9-6x53mm-lancaster-cartridge-366-tkm-news/

 

[orbitup]

Oval bore....?

 

[SC-Texas]

Best guess is it's smooth bore with a rifled muzzle device choke or it has a new type of "rifling" the ATF doesn't consider to rifling, like a 9.6 Lancaster in Russia.

Would you explain what a Smooth Bore has to do with anything?

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[Huntindoc]

The ATF definition of an sbr is a weapon with a butt stock, a "rifled barrel" and a barrel less than 16" or OAL of less than 24 inches meant to fire a single projectile.