When you see a pretty car...

[pronstar]

That GR Corolla is awesome. Love that it’s AWD and the top trim looks to have a rear seat delete with a spare tire rack lol. Wish I lived somewhere with more dirt roads lol.

On the one hand, a 52 year old professional probably shouldn’t be looking at a 3 cylinder hot hatch. Something something <target demographic> something something

On the other hand, it looks like a riot to drive.
And might be one of the last of a dying breed - an affordable ICE performance car with a manual transmission.

I’ve got big home projects to work on, so I can mindfuck this decision for quite some time LOL

 

[ZX9RCAM]

0-60 = 5.4 seconds.
Not that quick.

 

[Vaquero]

Not slow

 

[ZX9RCAM]

I would expect sub 5 seconds with 300hp in a little car, especially with AWD.

 

[TheDan]

a 52 year old professional probably shouldn’t be looking at a 3 cylinder hot hatch

It's a shame Audi got rid of their hatchback. It was the mature alternative.

 

[Brains]

I'm seeing 4.9xsec 0-60 on the Toyota website. 3 cylinders with a cute little whistle toy making 300hp @ 6500, and 273 or 295 lb. ft. is pretty respectable - but that power doesn't come in until over 3k. That means Toyota doesn't want to push the rods through the block and is keeping the wastegate open down low. That will tend to translate to slower 0-60, and I'm sure they're also doling out a prodigious amount of torque management so you don't grenade the drivetrain trying to sidestep the clutch at the 7200 rpm redline. Probably won't even allow the engine above a certain RPM until the clutch is fully locked.

So it's high strung, probably a lot of fun to drive, but it's not designed to be fast.

ETA: What surprises me is the gas mileage. 21/28, 24 combined?

 

[ZX9RCAM]

4.9 0-60 is alot different.

I think I got 5.4 from Road & Track.

 

[pronstar]

I would expect sub 5 seconds with 300hp in a little car, especially with AWD.

Second gear tops out just below 60 mph so there’s an extra shift that kills the time.
It supposedly runs with the Golf R, which hits 60 in the mid 4 second range.

But these cars aren’t designed to drag race, if it was then they’d offer it with an automatic.
They’re designed to get the driver involved, to put a smile on your face.
Based on road tests I’ve seen, they succeeded...but I haven’t driven it yet.

To be perfectly honest, I‘ve never dumped the clutch at high revs on any car I’ve ever owned, and there’s no way I’d do that to this AWD car.

When I get back to work later this month, I’ll see if I can borrow one for a few days.

 

[pronstar]

ETA: What surprises me is the gas mileage. 21/28, 24 combined?

Yeah that’s not great…the motor is so tiny, I’m guessing that it’s always running on at least some boost, even on the EPA test cycle.

I’ll have a chat with some engineering clients when I go back to work.

 

[BigRed]

Second gear tops out just below 60 mph so there’s an extra shift that kills the time.
It supposedly runs with the Golf R, which hits 60 in the mid 4 second range.

But these cars aren’t designed to drag race, if it was then they’d offer it with an automatic.
They’re designed to get the driver involved, to put a smile on your face.
Based on road tests I’ve seen, they succeeded...but I haven’t driven it yet.

When I get back to work later this month, I’ll see if I can borrow one for a few days.

I know little of this Toyota, but based on the specs it would be a fun car for highway commuting. Like you said, it's not a drag racer....BFD. Not much drag racing on a highway commute.

Something I learned with a Honda and a manual transmission that has little torque but a high rev....On the highway I can downshift, push it quickly to the redline and do quite fine. Crusing at 100 is no problem though it does knock mpg down to around 27.

 

[pronstar]

The older I get, the less numbers on a spec sheet seem to matter.
There's a lot of fun that can be had, by driving a well-sorted slow car fast.
That’s why 90’s Hondas were such a hoot to drive IMHO

But honestly I drive sporty cars too fast to the road, I do better in large trucks…but I drive trucks too fast also LOL

 

[Jakashh]

0-60 = 5.4 seconds.
Not that quick.

Those specs will feel a hell of a lot faster in a tiny car from my experience.

 

[Brains]

To be perfectly honest, I‘ve never dumped the clutch at high revs on any car I’ve ever owned, and there’s no way I’d do that to this AWD car.

Well son you're just not livin'

The older I get, the less numbers on a spec sheet seem to matter.
There's a lot of fun that can be had, by driving a well-sorted slow car fast.
That’s why 90’s Hondas were such a hoot to drive IMHO

God I hope I never get that old

 

[TheDan]

that power doesn't come in until over 3k

strange... Most modern small displacement turbos are putting out full torque at 2k or even a little lower. Sounds like Toyota is being a puss and a tune will easily wake that thing up.

 

[pronstar]

Well son you're just not livin'


God I hope I never get that old

That’s not to say I haven’t done it in cars I didn’t own LOL

 

[pronstar]

strange... Most modern small displacement turbos are putting out full torque at 2k or even a little lower. Sounds like Toyota is being a puss and a tune will easily wake that thing up.

Yeah I want to dig into it to see why it’s peaky.

We usually see torque peaking early, then carrying on a flat plateau, on modern turbo power curves.

 

[Texan79423]

Pretty cars are cool I guess. However,

I prefer my go-car over your show car.

 

[kbaxter60]

If you're near Bandera mid-March, this may be your chance to see some nice rides. The host business is near my work, so plan to check it out . It benefits a great outfit, too!

 

[Texan79423]

Lubbock has a coffee and cars the first Saturday of each month hosted by Cooks garage I27 and 114th Street. Can draw @400 car and the owner has more signs than the law allows. Google Cooks garage You t

ube it as well. That's my Black C6

 

[kbaxter60]

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